(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]
GN[Pandanet Go European Cup , 3rd round, 2nd Board, Brno]PW[Catalin Taranu, 5.pro]PB[Radek Nechanicky, 6.dan]DT[2007-09-01]EV[Pandanet Go European Cup, Brno]RO[3]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]
;B[pd]
;W[dp]
;B[pq]
;W[dd]C[Javaness [1d\]: Go Taranu \\o/
]
;B[dj]
;W[cl]
;B[cf]
;W[fc]C[MXHero [3d\]: which round is this?
BrnoPGEC07 [?\]: 3rd
MXHero [3d\]: ok ty
]
;B[qo]C[tibul [6k\]: sorry for my ignorance but whats PGEC07?
fagaha [1d\]: what tournament is this?
sheeryjay [5k\]: quite quick
sheeryjay [5k\]: http://www.eurogofed.org/eurocup/
]
;W[jq]
;B[lq]C[tibul [6k\]: ah thanks
]
;W[dq]C[sheeryjay [5k\]: top group winners at the start of http://egoban.blogspot.com/
Javaness [1d\]: D3 feels lazy
sheeryjay [5k\]: surprising results include tasuki (vit brunner) 4d beating agassi (Ondrej Silt) 6d
Javaness [1d\]: admin powr
]
;B[qf]
;W[el]C[sheeryjay [5k\]: rofl :D
tigercat [?\]: haha w must be pretty bored now
]
;B[jc]C[MXHero [3d\]: whoa, i would not think r14 is good
]
;W[cd]C[sheeryjay [5k\]: kamyszyn won his first game too, you might have a point java :D
tigercat [?\]: big moves
]
;B[fj]
;W[gl]C[jjermann [3k\]: hmm
jjermann [3k\]: will this be a romantic game?
jjermann [3k\]: all build huge moyo/territories
jjermann [3k\]: :)
tigercat [?\]: how does having a huge moyo make this romantic?
tigercat [?\]: sicko
Chrille [8k?\]: no fighting
jjermann [3k\]: both don't care that the other makes huge moyos
jjermann [3k\]: they don't fight
tigercat [?\]: oh
tigercat [?\]: pacifist huh
]
;B[lo]C[jjermann [3k\]: hehe also here
jjermann [3k\]: invates w to complete the moyo ^^
kairos [-\]: k5 :-)
]
;W[hj]C[jjermann [3k\]: ok, I guess that's the turning point *g*
Claire [?\]: g
]
;B[jo]
;W[hq]C[tigercat [?\]: both of these are moyo men!!
tigercat [?\]: i like moyo men
James83 [8k\]: moyo men rock ! :-)
zen [6k\]: you know what they say about guys with big moyos
tigercat [?\]: yeah
tibul [6k\]: lol
James83 [8k\]: LOL!
jjermann [3k\]: bah just play M10 and kill any invasion ^^
]
;B[cj]C[sheeryjay [5k\]: dont judge man by the size of his moyo ^_^
tigercat [?\]: it's not abt size
MXHero [3d\]: it's not the size of the moyo, it's how you use it =D
jjermann [3k\]: size matters after all I guess :)
James83 [8k\]: :-)
Baduk4you [4d\]: is there a website with results?
tigercat [?\]: it's not abt size of the moyo, but whether it can be invaded
Javaness [1d\]: that is what all those with small moyo say
James83 [8k\]: that helps my beginner status learn
MXHero [3d\]: lol well i am just relaying what i have been told, java
jjermann [3k\]: Javaness: lol ;-)(
]
;W[lc]C[MXHero [3d\]: m17 is awesome
nbnf05 [2k\]: awesome why ?
MXHero [3d\]: b has to settle quickly or else w gets to start destroying b's moyo already
oppy [9k\]: just normaly redusing move)
jjermann [3k\]: nono more than reducing
MXHero [3d\]: imagine b jumping around into the center, then w has a nice jumping wall too, just where b wanted territory
nbnf05 [2k\]: her I would play p17
]
;B[oc]C[oppy [9k\]: better for b to gain corner
]
;W[le]C[oppy [9k\]: yeap)
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;B[je]C[nbnf05 [2k\]: hehe
XiaXia [2d?\]: ^^
]
;W[lg]C[Liace [1k?\]: lol
MXHero [3d\]: =)
nbnf05 [2k\]: I'm 6dan thats all :o
oppy [9k\]: ;)
sheeryjay [5k\]: Baduk4you, results are at http://www.goweb.cz/node/41
jjermann [3k\]: F15?
jjermann [3k\]: not now anyway
Baduk4you [4d\]: thx
sheeryjay [5k\]: oh, sorry, did not notice you asked in the other game :)
Baduk4you [4d\]: :-)
nbnf05 [2k\]: yes I think f15 or around is important
spongy [1d\]: wow
spongy [1d\]: 5p against 6d :O
jjermann [3k\]: if F15
jjermann [3k\]: shouldn't black push one further?
spongy [1d\]: who is leading?
tigercat [?\]: the red team
]
;B[jg]
;W[ki]
;B[lh]
;W[kh]
;B[kg]
;W[mg]C[nbnf05 [2k\]: lol
pasky [-\]: what are the timesettings?
nbnf05 [2k\]: black will destruct his moyo himself
tigercat [?\]: white has nice sequences
jjermann [3k\]: well black already has quite some territory
]
;B[li]C[pasky [-\]: white too :)
]
;W[pg]C[jjermann [3k\]: the top is about the same?
jjermann [3k\]: the corners?
nbnf05 [2k\]: black has no territory
nbnf05 [2k\]: only moyo
jjermann [3k\]: nono
jjermann [3k\]: lots of territory
tigercat [?\]: top right is terr
tigercat [?\]: so is botom right
nbnf05 [2k\]: no :)
nbnf05 [2k\]: white has territory 
pasky [-\]: nbnf: big solid corners
jjermann [3k\]: both have lot of territory
XiaXia [2d?\]: c10 group still bit weak
MXHero [3d\]: b made the right side very small because of his r14 move earlier; maybe this is going along with his plan
]
;B[qg]
;W[lj]C[pasky [-\]: is area around c6 territory already?
pasky [-\]: that's what I'm not sure about
MXHero [3d\]: it is, pasky
MXHero [3d\]: c6 d7 
MXHero [3d\]: if needed
jjermann [3k\]: w will live, so is it a wise idea to hang on to the cutting stones?
goodstyle [2k\]: yeah
MXHero [3d\]: aha, b o12 doesn't even work now
Javaness [1d\]: hane where it hurts
jjermann [3k\]: I guess if B wants to keep them he must play empty triangle ^^
MXHero [3d\]: oh, it does work sorry, but it's so ugly
]
;B[nh]C[nbnf05 [2k\]: no it doesnt
nbnf05 [2k\]: white capture stones
jjermann [3k\]: hehe
MXHero [3d\]: b has some ataris which i missed
jjermann [3k\]: we'll see nbnf05 :)
oppy [9k\]: it's only way
jjermann [3k\]: I kinda like it
GeRui [3d\]: i'd also prefer n11
jjermann [3k\]: black can sacrifice his M12 stones
pasky [-\]: ahhhh yes b n14 later on, interesting
jjermann [3k\]: and take the right side
jjermann [3k\]: as an alternative
pasky [-\]: missed that too :)
MXHero [3d\]: is o11 aji keshi or just good shape-killing now?
nbnf05 [2k\]: jjermann those stones are important I dont think he will sacrifice them
GeRui [3d\]: m1 are the key stones, sacrficing them is like quitting without even trying
jjermann [3k\]: nbnf05: ack on the importance :)
nbnf05 [2k\]: m11 stones you mean ?
GeRui [3d\]: yes
jjermann [3k\]: nbnf05: but it's a pain to keep them
nbnf05 [2k\]: no they keep white cut
pasky [-\]: well when he started to save them changing plans now is very difficult
jjermann [3k\]: well
GeRui [3d\]: they keep w separated and aim at L10
jjermann [3k\]: he can still decide to make the right as territory
vaxou [10k\]: O13 to threat m13 m15 stones ? 
]
;W[mh]C[MXHero [3d\]: this here is proof that heavy is not always bad
jjermann [3k\]: eg O11 then O13
jjermann [3k\]: or sthg like that
jjermann [3k\]: but probably you're right B can't just give up the cutting stones it probably makes white much too thick
Orson [?\]: when heavy is not bad we use to call it "thick" ^^
pasky [-\]: if he cancels m17 attack he also has to start to worry about w splitting his groups in UL quadrant
janissary [2d\]: wow 5p vs 6d
jjermann [3k\]: oh right
tigercat [?\]: yes
janissary [2d\]: good game:D
MXHero [3d\]: ok well, here is proof that weak, heavy groups are sometimes ok :)
jjermann [3k\]: but eg
jjermann [3k\]: capturing L12 stones
jjermann [3k\]: for b
jjermann [3k\]: it's not worth that much
janissary [2d\]: tht game at america? or where?
pasky [-\]: it settles k13
jjermann [3k\]: if white on the other hand destroys all the right
MXHero [3d\]: n11 o11 n10 m9 seems like the only sequence now
Baduk4you [4d\]: in czech
OasisDK [9k\]: Does anyone know how much time these guys have?
jjermann [3k\]: probably even in sente
janissary [2d\]: czech repulic
janissary [2d\]: republic*
janissary [2d\]: hm oke
pasky [-\]: I think settling k13 bigger than right side, b still could make bit of territory there and w should never gain a lot of points there
jjermann [3k\]: if black wants to care about K13 group wouldn't F15 or sthg like that be better (pointwise)
MXHero [3d\]: the l11 stones are just as heavy as the m11 stones, i'd think
pasky [-\]: *shrug*
DanDreamer [2k\]: does 9p exist?
tigercat [?\]: yes
DanDreamer [2k\]: who ?
GeRui [3d\]: many
GeRui [3d\]: at least 150
jjermann [3k\]: on kgs eg. jujo
]
;B[mi]C[MXHero [3d\]: maybe w can atari twice and then p12, treating the m10 stone lightly?
GeRui [3d\]: better atari just once, then p12 i think
]
;W[ni]
;B[mj]C[Javaness [1d\]: P12?
]
;W[nj]C[MXHero [3d\]: w is deciding who is right, ge =D
]
;B[mk]C[Javaness [1d\]: Taranu seems more powerful this year
]
;W[oh]C[MXHero [3d\]: woot, lucky me
XiaXia [2d?\]: strong you
jjermann [3k\]: K10 works?
tigercat [?\]: u must be 5p
tigercat [?\]: u should try taking the pro test
janissary [2d\]: zuahahha
tigercat [?\]: btw, what do u have to do during the test?
XiaXia [2d?\]: its a tournament i think
tigercat [?\]: play agt a pro?
janissary [2d\]: takoz:D
tigercat [?\]: oh
lactoserum [10k\]: what the name of the tournament? 
janissary [2d\]: czech tournoument aheueah
lactoserum [10k\]: cz championship
janissary [2d\]: zuaha
tigercat [?\]: prize money?
]
;B[jj]C[janissary [2d\]: takoz
]
;W[nk]C[Uberdude [3d\]: who is board 1?
BrnoPGEC07 [?\]: Pop- Cho Seok
jjermann [3k\]: now?
Javaness [1d\]: I want to see it :)
XiaXia [2d?\]: why isnt it shown?
]
;B[kj]C[lactoserum [10k\]: i didn't know that some czech people are pro
tigercat [?\]: isnt that more fun
sheeryjay [5k\]: it is on IGS
tigercat [?\]: to watch
sheeryjay [5k\]: account Brno2007
XiaXia [2d?\]: ok
XiaXia [2d?\]: thanks
sheeryjay [5k\]: no Czech players are pros, but almost anyone can play in this tournament
sheeryjay [5k\]: it's part of European Cup
XiaXia [2d?\]: isnt catalin romanian?
sheeryjay [5k\]: we only have 1 ex-insei Ondrej Silt
sheeryjay [5k\]: yep, he is
]
;W[ho]
;B[bl]
;W[bm]
;B[bk]
;W[cn]
;B[be]C[MXHero [3d\]: is b leading?
Uberdude [3d\]: this game looks quite textbook
zoka [10k?\]: o3 seems invadable
Javaness [1d\]: white looks c omfortably ahead
Uberdude [3d\]: k5 jelps defend o3
]
;W[bd]C[Uberdude [3d\]: means can't connect
GeRui [3d\]: o3 difficult to play, b already strong around
]
;B[ef]C[Redjoker [2d\]: taranu is a pro?
Uberdude [3d\]: q2 first
Uberdude [3d\]: maybe w can r6
Uberdude [3d\]: try to make some right side
Javaness [1d\]: yes Taranu is a pro, he stopped playing for 2 years, but he is back again
XiaXia [2d?\]: why stop?
tigercat [?\]: im copying the cho seok bin game on kgs if u guys are interested
Javaness [1d\]: because he hated go
MXHero [3d\]: o.O
XiaXia [2d?\]: :(
sheeryjay [5k\]: tigercat, it's not much ok, IGS is sponsoring tournament, there is a reason why it is not here :(
tigercat [?\]: so im not allowed to copy the game here?
Redjoker [2d\]: o thanks for the indo jva
XiaXia [2d?\]: probably not
tigercat [?\]: oh
Taro [-\]: certainly not
tigercat [?\]: ok ill get rid of it then
sheeryjay [5k\]: i think the rules are not as long as it is relayed
tigercat [?\]: sorry
MXHero [3d\]: are pro games immediately released to the public after they are played, or is there some kind of intellectual property issue?
sheeryjay [5k\]: after that it's probly ok and the games will be posted (probly around 4+ for each round) at http://egoban.blogspot.com/2007/08/brno-318-29-pgec-gpr.html
pasky [-\]: mxhero: they are copyrighted
MXHero [3d\]: interesting
sheeryjay [5k\]: and the copyright issue is too complex to discuss in a game ;)
pasky [-\]: but I don't have much diea about the terms they are usually distributed under
Redjoker [2d\]: but a pro is much stronger , isn't it?
sheeryjay [5k\]: yep, Catalin is stronger than Radek
pasky [-\]: redjoker: that depends, 6d EGF is very strong (European ranks in this area are much stronger than e.g. American)
sheeryjay [5k\]: still he might lose
MXHero [3d\]: somebody should patent a joseki =D
Redjoker [2d\]: oha
janissary [2d\]: ehaueah
janissary [2d\]: türkmü lan bu:D
Jadeite [?\]: yeah great idea, not 
pasky [-\]: redjoker: but I agree that Catalin is stronger than Radek :)
Redjoker [2d\]: i live on the moon
pasky [-\]: redjoker: but not all pros must be unconditionally stronger than all amateurs, and strength isn't the only thing that decides the winner
]
;W[nm]C[MXHero [3d\]: it isn't? o.O
Redjoker [2d\]: ok
Redjoker [2d\]: ^^
MXHero [3d\]: why did w not play n8?
Redjoker [2d\]: ask black
Lilltiger [1k\]: removes aji
pasky [-\]: maybe thinks m10 still has useful aji
MXHero [3d\]: i suppose, but as b id think playing n8 right now is ok
pasky [-\]: and needs to guard the o8 cut afterwards anyway, so kinda redundant
sheeryjay [5k\]: hmm, could he try to escape with M10?
Redjoker [2d\]: but it isn't sente i think
tigercat [?\]: who is christian pop?
sheeryjay [5k\]: top european amateur
MXHero [3d\]: i was thinking n8 m9 p7 
sheeryjay [5k\]: ex-insei
zoka [10k?\]: O7 seems targeting O3 and making the roof for a side area
tigercat [?\]: oh
MXHero [3d\]: of course, i am asking because i want the reason, not because my sequence is better =)
jjermann [3k\]: zoka: O3 is too deep
Lilltiger [1k\]: q2 maybe
pasky [-\]: mxhero: I think your sequence is in the violation of the a-b-c principle - why first exchange n8 m9 and then go to p7 when you can jump to o7 right away?
jjermann [3k\]: ok q2 looks more promising :)
pasky [-\]: mxhero: though what do I know.. you're stronger :)
jjermann [3k\]: but still
MXHero [3d\]: yeah i feel like you're right pasky, but aji keshi is so strong! :)
jjermann [3k\]: I guess it fails :)
pasky [-\]: whjy is o3 too deep?
]
;B[ml]
;W[nl]
;B[hn]C[pasky [-\]: oh nm thought you can get a ko if b n4 but misread again it seems :(
Avidya [5d?\]: o3 looks ok
Avidya [5d?\]: it depends what you do afterwards though
pasky [-\]: o3 n4 then what?
Avidya [5d?\]: maybe r3 or something
chalmo [1k\]: can white play r7 sente somehow?
]
;W[gn]C[Avidya [5d?\]: w could r4 probe
Avidya [5d?\]: r4 q4 s5 s4 r6 r3 r12 
Avidya [5d?\]: something like that maybe
Avidya [5d?\]: if b resists w can live in the corner
pasky [-\]: well with r7 in place o3 becomes much more dangerous I guess
]
;B[io]C[pasky [-\]: avidya: nice
Avidya [5d?\]: if w r4 i think b wiould s4 though
MXHero [3d\]: hmm what if r4 q4 s5 r6 ?
jjermann [3k\]: and BO5 is too slow?
Avidya [5d?\]: then can r3 or push once more at s6
MXHero [3d\]: does r3 live?
Avidya [5d?\]: or o3 to keep making aji
pasky [-\]: p5 feels like better shape
jjermann [3k\]: BO7 probably better
pasky [-\]: than o5
jjermann [3k\]: ok P5 better than O5
pasky [-\]: maybe just r8
Avidya [5d?\]: it looks like ko
Avidya [5d?\]: but if o3 first
Avidya [5d?\]: then it would live easily
jjermann [3k\]: O3 P3 O5 O2?
Avidya [5d?\]: anyway, there's probably better, this is just thinking out loud
jjermann [3k\]: or O4 whatever
jjermann [3k\]: black could instead use O3 as aji keshi for the corner
Lilltiger [1k\]: W o5 might be as good
jjermann [3k\]: and connect under
MXHero [3d\]: actually yeah, r3 seems to leave a ko
MXHero [3d\]: amazingly, w still has aji with m10
MXHero [3d\]: if w gets a move around p5, then after m7 is possible
Avidya [5d?\]: :)
jjermann [3k\]: hmm
leperenoel [-\]: is pandanet igs?
jjermann [3k\]: can't B just let M10 escape?
GeRui [3d\]: yes
klabauter [1k\]: whats so difficult here
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;W[hp]C[jjermann [3k\]: finally ^^
XiaXia [2d?\]: how much time do they have?
Avidya [5d?\]: i guess he was thinking about h4, g5 or h7 etc
Avidya [5d?\]: who knows what he thinks about ?
Avidya [5d?\]: he could have been thinking about what he will have for dinner
musilage [10k?\]: whether he left the iron on back at home
Chrille [8k?\]: maybe he went and got some coffee
pasky [-\]: avidya: he probably does that now :)
Avidya [5d?\]: haha, yeah
]
;B[gk]
;W[hl]C[leperenoel [-\]: does R8 bigger for B?
]
;B[hk]C[leperenoel [-\]: is*
jjermann [3k\]: G15 becoming big
jjermann [3k\]: heh
rep [11k\]: w should resign
jjermann [3k\]: ^^
Avidya [5d?\]: the opening of this game felt a bit strange
XiaXia [2d?\]: lol
Kyo [1k\]: O:
Avidya [5d?\]: like everyone wants to eat their own cake and not share
jjermann [3k\]: that's negative formulated
jjermann [3k\]: I rather call it "romantic play" :-)
Avidya [5d?\]: because you are so happy with all that area you 'control'?
jjermann [3k\]: yes :)
Avidya [5d?\]: :)
MXHero [3d\]: lol
XiaXia [2d?\]: i call it boring play
musilage [10k?\]: not enough slashing and burning for you, xiaxia?
XiaXia [2d?\]: fighting games are more entertaining to watch
SunWuKong [1d\]: ji dori go ?
Avidya [5d?\]: i think sharing the corners leads to more dynamic games
jjermann [3k\]: has white a tesuji?
f0rk [1k\]: q2?
jjermann [3k\]: or will the center simply become black??
zen [6k\]: if I played against a pro I would want to avoid the fighting too :P
jjermann [3k\]: hehe I do the opposite :)
Avidya [5d?\]: you just have to play normally
Avidya [5d?\]: otherwise you confuse yourself
Javaness [1d\]: f15
]
;W[id]C[Sparkster [1k\]: isnt black leading too much?
Sparkster [1k\]: amd i missing sometjthing¿?
]
;B[jd]C[musilage [10k?\]: wait until the 5p afterburners kick in...
XiaXia [2d?\]: it looks like that to me too
Uberdude [3d\]: i think allowing bk5 was a mistake
Uberdude [3d\]: hard to use pro power when no fighting
KomaT2 [9k\]: s7 ?
Uberdude [3d\]: i'd r6
Uberdude [3d\]: r17 too
Uberdude [3d\]: for aji
musilage [10k?\]: R17 might live in ko
Uberdude [3d\]: doubt it
GeRui [3d\]: not so sure
Uberdude [3d\]: but might get r17 r16 p18 q18 o18 r18 in sente
Uberdude [3d\]: which is nice yose
MXHero [3d\]: i'm thinking w g15
royalty [3d\]: easy game for black
royalty [3d\]: oh wait, white is pro
royalty [3d\]: i would like to adjust my statement
Avidya [5d?\]: haha
]
;W[ge]C[Avidya [5d?\]: everyone is waiting to see if w is really in trouble
Uberdude [3d\]: b is only 6-7d kgs
Uberdude [3d\]: if w loses my faith in pros is hurt
MXHero [3d\]: w can hane if b attaches, i believe
musilage [10k?\]: would W play easy to keep it interesting, and go for close win?
sheeryjay [5k\]: b is no longer playing on kgs rated
Uberdude [3d\]: has he got stronger?
Solid30k [4k\]: w+10 (at least
]
;B[fe]
;W[gd]C[XiaXia [2d?\]: nice reading
XiaXia [2d?\]: solid30k
Sparkster [1k\]: radek used to be hiphop right?
Solid30k [4k\]: b g14 big
Samowar [2k\]: :)
jjermann [3k\]: almost a must
janissary [2d\]: ooo solid 
janissary [2d\]: oss :D
Solid30k [4k\]: b o5 big too
sheeryjay [5k\]: Radek still is HipHop on kgs
jjermann [3k\]: Solid30k: hmm isn't R8 better
sheeryjay [5k\]: and no, he's not got stronger
Solid30k [4k\]: no
f0rk [1k\]: i dont see how W can win this gme
Sparkster [1k\]: i mean, not playing that often anymore with that name
Samowar [2k\]: Radek's from Czech Republic?
Solid30k [4k\]: by r8 u gain 10 pts but w o5 recudes more
janissary [2d\]: hmz
]
;B[gf]
;W[hf]C[Solid30k [4k\]: see g14 hehe
shuuin [2k\]: g13 was better?
shuuin [2k\]: (for b)
MXHero [3d\]: the double hane is scary for b if he plays it
Solid30k [4k\]: even h15 possible for b
]
;B[hg]C[jjermann [3k\]: hmm
]
;W[if]C[Princy [1d\]: hmm
]
;B[ig]C[YeknomGib [4k\]: hmm
MXHero [3d\]: ! is b ok?
nbnf05 [2k\]: hmm
XiaXia [2d?\]: ??
Solid30k [4k\]: cant cut
janissary [2d\]: hmm
royalty [3d\]: hmm
Uberdude [3d\]: here is some profit
janissary [2d\]: hmm
Nab4: hmm
]
;W[df]C[janissary [2d\]: hmm
XiaXia [2d?\]: hmm
XiaXia [2d?\]: mmh
janissary [2d\]: hmm
f0rk [1k\]: m14 cut ?
royalty [3d\]: janissary, you ruin it
janissary [2d\]: diifcult
Avidya [5d?\]: why can't cut?
sheeryjay [5k\]: yep, Radek is from Czech Republic
nbnf05 [2k\]: *trying to see whe he cant cut*
janissary [2d\]: ruin ne demek len:D
nbnf05 [2k\]: why
janissary [2d\]: solid abi ruin ne demek
sheeryjay [5k\]: you can see nationalities as well as some results on http://www.goweb.cz/node/41
royalty [3d\]: me no understand you
Solid30k [4k\]: k14 cant cut cos m15 m17 weak
ukkaripoka [12k\]: that must be "tesuji"
Solid30k [4k\]: ruın berbat etmek bozmak
Sparkster [1k\]: w cut and b can cut back, and b seems to have more libs after cut
Solid30k [4k\]: altust etmek
]
;B[dg]
;W[de]C[nbnf05 [2k\]: wow black shape really ugly now
jjermann [3k\]: what is w's plan?
Sparkster [1k\]: he seems to need another move
Solid30k [4k\]: c13 ?
captnapalm [2k\]: sente reduction is the plan
ukkaripoka [12k\]: here white has many cut_point
jjermann [3k\]: Sparkster: why?
jjermann [3k\]: what continuation for W?
Princy [1d\]: yes he definitely needs another move
Sparkster [1k\]: c13 
]
;B[fd]
;W[gc]C[Avidya [5d?\]: hmm
Solid30k [4k\]: b c13 must
Avidya [5d?\]: i think that's a thankyou move
Avidya [5d?\]: at f16
Sparkster [1k\]: me too
Sparkster [1k\]: what sthe point
]
;B[kf]C[Solid30k [4k\]: awww
Sparkster [1k\]: i dont really get b f16
janissary [2d\]: hmz hmz
Solid30k [4k\]: o15
Princy [1d\]: hm demolish moyo or save m15
ukkaripoka [12k\]: what that's for?
]
;W[qc]C[janissary [2d\]: angry...
Solid30k [4k\]: woah
MXHero [3d\]: cool
janissary [2d\]: ehaueah
janissary [2d\]: agresif
nbnf05 [2k\]: he has too now..
Solid30k [4k\]: san san = always dangerous
nbnf05 [2k\]: black strong everywhere
XiaXia [2d?\]: w can c13
Avidya [5d?\]: this is just a probe, not dangerous
ukkaripoka [12k\]: how can w live?
Solid30k [4k\]: p18 following move
nbnf05 [2k\]: p18 white live I think lol
Avidya [5d?\]: he might not live immediately
Solid30k [4k\]: p18 for w
nbnf05 [2k\]: oh
Avidya [5d?\]: but say for example b cuts at m14
Avidya [5d?\]: then he can think about o17 p18 etc
Avidya [5d?\]: but first he has to see how b plays right now
Solid30k [4k\]: r15 shining to me
Solid30k [4k\]: hehe
nbnf05 [2k\]: yes avidya r17 only leaves aji
Solid30k [4k\]: w o4 looks sexy too :P
Avidya [5d?\]: for example if b plays r16 here, he could tenuki and then if b cuts at m14 he can just atari down at o15
]
;B[md]C[Avidya [5d?\]: black agrees :)
Solid30k [4k\]: i guess for w m14 cut and c13 cut are miai points
royalty [3d\]: i dont like this
Avidya [5d?\]: for who?
royalty [3d\]: this move of black
Solid30k [4k\]: n15 ?
ukkaripoka [12k\]: what this nozoki mean?
idazuwaika [5d?\]: hi.. just got here...
idazuwaika [5d?\]: can radek really play against pro?
Stormer [-\]: its a peep
jjermann [3k\]: royalty: why don't you like it?
]
;W[ob]C[Avidya [5d?\]: it basically means that b wants to cut immediately
Avidya [5d?\]: peeping first is better than just m14
Solid30k [4k\]: hehe p18
Solid30k [4k\]: i knew it
Solid30k [4k\]: but i have terrible timing
jjermann [3k\]: P12 not 100% alive yet hmm
jjermann [3k\]: but basically alive still ^^
ukkaripoka [12k\]: bad tenuki for b,is'nt it?
Solid30k [4k\]: if u r pro and ur dragon has at least 10 liberties u r alive almiost 100%
jjermann [3k\]: well of course
Solid30k [4k\]: especially againist an ameteur
jjermann [3k\]: but
jjermann [3k\]: maybe at the expense of territorial loss
]
;B[nb]
;W[pb]C[Solid30k [4k\]: corner alive
Solid30k [4k\]: m14 useless
jjermann [3k\]: why is m14 useless?
ukkaripoka [12k\]: what a pro!
jjermann [3k\]: maybe O13 first?
Solid30k [4k\]: cos by m14 b gains some pints but he lost corner
Solid30k [4k\]: equal imho
jjermann [3k\]: equal would be ok for b I guess
]
;B[lf]
;W[mf]C[Solid30k [4k\]: see the plan hehe
]
;B[me]C[jjermann [3k\]: hmpf but w has C13
Solid30k [4k\]: p14 first
Sparkster [1k\]: w seems to have won points overall with all thsi
Sparkster [1k\]: this
Avidya [5d?\]: yea, i think w gained here
Solid30k [4k\]: agree
jjermann [3k\]: me too
pasky [-\]: but not that much?
jjermann [3k\]: well
royalty [3d\]: so you see why i think n16 was bit bad?
jjermann [3k\]: W has almost sente
jjermann [3k\]: and C13
Sparkster [1k\]: c13 looks too painful
Solid30k [4k\]: cos for a pro if he would connect by a gote they try to live in corner and scares opponent
janissary [2d\]: ii eglenceler
Avidya [5d?\]: so w is reading whether he's alive without s15?
Solid30k [4k\]: at least seki
daladim [1k\]: c13 doesnt work
jjermann [3k\]: Avidya: hmm, can B still attack P12 group or no way to at least gain some profit from it?
Sauterelle [2k\]: avidya : i dont think so, he is a pro, he knows if he is alive or not i thnik
pasky [-\]: isn't this the kind of tsumego situation high dans should totally know by heart? ;)
XiaXia [2d?\]: why not daladim?
jjermann [3k\]: eg R8 is not sente right?
Avidya [5d?\]: yea he can still attack it a bit
daladim [1k\]: sry misread 
Solid30k [4k\]: by w c13 either c14 or e14 is dead!
Avidya [5d?\]: but it has one eye so it won't get in too much trouble
pikkuorava [?\]: pop game ended?
Avidya [5d?\]: it's hard to see how w lives if b s16
Solid30k [4k\]: i wanna be 3k :(
Avidya [5d?\]: but it's messy
pasky [-\]: 3k 4k no difference :)
pennywise [?\]: looks like w went to drink some tea =)
]
;W[re]C[Chrille [8k?\]: do the players record their games?
Sauterelle [2k\]: no, they have a dactylo
chrpa [1k\]: i guess they can remember the game
Solid30k [4k\]: no way
XiaXia [2d?\]: w c13 b13 c12 d12 work for b?
XiaXia [2d?\]: oh wait
XiaXia [2d?\]: nvm
XiaXia [2d?\]: ^^
Unvite: :)
Solid30k [4k\]: no
Avidya [5d?\]: g13 first though?
Avidya [5d?\]: then if b connects
Solid30k [4k\]: e13 atari
Avidya [5d?\]: g13 f14 c13b13 e13 
jjermann [3k\]: isn't WG13 a mistake
Avidya [5d?\]: why?
Solid30k [4k\]: no aji
jjermann [3k\]: black just sacrifices the stones
Sparkster [1k\]: now f16 looks even worse
Avidya [5d?\]: g13 g12 c13 b13 e13 f14 
jjermann [3k\]: and aji keshi for C13
Princy [1d\]: still g13 aji...
Princy [1d\]: wow
]
;B[bg]C[Avidya [5d?\]: c13 b13 e13 c12 f13 would wor too i guess
Princy [1d\]: see ^^
Winc [-\]: aji keshi... you cant expect to milk a rock you know
musilage [10k?\]: there goes that
Avidya [5d?\]: :)
Solid30k [4k\]: b 50 w 75 (approx.)
Solid30k [4k\]: woow
sud [1d\]: q15?
Solid30k [4k\]: r15 w
]
;W[qn]
;B[rn]
;W[qm]
;B[rm]
;W[po]C[Avidya [5d?\]: :/
jjermann [3k\]: aji keshi
]
;B[qp]C[Solid30k [4k\]: o4
Winc [-\]: w is pro?!
Avidya [5d?\]: he calculated just making his group strong with territory was good enough
jjermann [3k\]: well I guess B couldn't afford another corner invasion ^^
]
;W[qh]C[Solid30k [4k\]: r15 is on its way
Avidya [5d?\]: still if he loses he might regret this sequence
royalty [3d\]: q14 
Avidya [5d?\]: r15 doesn't really work
Avidya [5d?\]: r15 q14 q15 p14 p15 o14 
jjermann [3k\]: R8 now?
sud [1d\]: p14?
]
;B[ql]C[ukkaripoka [12k\]: this game of go already finished
LordKyo [18k\]: w win
Avidya [5d?\]: that hurts so much
Unvite: isn't it live?
jjermann [3k\]: white already spent 2 moves around R13 in gote
LordKyo [18k\]: anyboy here have a kgs plus?
ukkaripoka [12k\]: yeah
musilage [10k?\]: yes, i do
idazuwaika [5d?\]: anyboy?
pasky [-\]: I'm a boy and I do
LordKyo [18k\]: *anybody
LordKyo [18k\]: ???
musilage [10k?\]: it's well worth it, kyo
Avidya [5d?\]: yea, kgs plus is good
LordKyo [18k\]: do u think with kgs plus we can get stronger??
musilage [10k?\]: only if you use it
LordKyo [18k\]: i'm so weak right now
luhtor [1k\]: you can get stronger without it
]
;W[oe]C[hslewis [5k\]: if you use it
]
;B[qd]
;W[rd]C[musilage [10k?\]: luhtor is right, also
luhtor [1k\]: if dont think kgs+ is usefull for a 18k
musilage [10k?\]: but KGS+ puts a lot of resoure at your disposal 24/7
LordKyo [18k\]: i'm very2 weak
peterman: emule too
jjermann [3k\]: who is leading territorial wise?
musilage [10k?\]: lordkyo, it's only $15.... try it and see for yourself
LordKyo [18k\]: okay
pasky [-\]: I see KGS plus mostly as a way to support and help run KGS, the extra content is more like a bonus :)
royalty [3d\]: q14 n18 o19 o17 n17 o15 p16 p14 q17 q15 p17 m18 
musilage [10k?\]: pasky, i agree
LordKyo [18k\]: do we pay for a lesson??
pasky [-\]: not in KGS teaching ladder, which should be more than enough for you for now
Unvite: I find the game quite close
pasky [-\]: (it's a room)
musilage [10k?\]: you get 3 months of lessons, that you can review any time, as many times as you can stand to
jjermann [3k\]: hmm
royalty [3d\]: oh, n18, o19, l18..
jjermann [3k\]: what about O14 then Q14 then N17
jjermann [3k\]: all for B I mean
]
;B[rh]
;W[qi]C[Avidya [5d?\]: well kgs plus is pretty good and quite cheap
Sauterelle [2k\]: q9 now ?
FrozenV7 [5k\]: hmmm... white passes twice :o)
Avidya [5d?\]: i think more people should buy it to help support kgs, since we're all on here all the time anyway....
]
;B[ri]C[apple [3d\]: lol
]
;W[qj]C[jjermann [3k\]: W N18 could cause problems
pasky [-\]: b p4 getting big?
seyyah [9k\]: q8
royalty [3d\]: black plays n17 now
aitkensam [-\]: L2 bigger than P4 i guess
pasky [-\]: ah, good point
musilage [10k?\]: avidya, unfortunately i think many who go on-line see everything as free, and go as far as to put no value on IP
Avidya [5d?\]: heheh, you're probably right, but they weren't thinking that way when kgs went down a few weeks back
]
;B[pf]
;W[of]C[royalty [3d\]: oh
musilage [10k?\]: true dat
Gzperi [9k\]: and cmon 5$/month is nothing.
peterman: i would buy igs+
royalty [3d\]: has to fix the n17 shape now
musilage [10k?\]: my coffee costs me $3.20 a  cup...
pasky [-\]: actually igs has some commercial offering as well afaik
Gzperi [9k\]: wow, xpensive coffee lol
hslewis [5k\]: musilage must live near starbucks
Avidya [5d?\]: does igs have the magic pros who can speak english but are still active?
musilage [10k?\]: right down the street  ;-)
Solid30k [4k\]: a16 yose ? now
Solid30k [4k\]: 5pts for b
]
;B[rb]C[royalty [3d\]: not important
]
;W[rc]C[pasky [-\]: l2 bigger I think?
Solid30k [4k\]: s18 was not important either
Sauterelle [2k\]: yes of course
royalty [3d\]: n18 is huge
pasky [-\]: BrnoPGEC07: jak jsou na tom s casem?
]
;B[pc]C[aitkensam [-\]: b is thinking how can i get all of these big yose moves
]
;W[qb]C[apple [3d\]: yeah
Unvite: why not white O17?
BrnoPGEC07 [?\]: Radek ma 5min, Cata nevidim
Avidya [5d?\]: yea cutting directly is better
pasky [-\]: dik
hslewis [5k\]: w o17 cut
aitkensam [-\]: defending here will be so painful
Avidya [5d?\]: better to play s10?
jjermann [3k\]:  what continuation after S10?
Avidya [5d?\]: then if o17 b only has to save one side
aitkensam [-\]: S10 will leadto white group being 10points+ though :s
aitkensam [-\]: in sente
]
;B[mc]C[royalty [3d\]: s10 n18 o19 o17 n17 o16 m18 m16 n19 o15 n18 l18 
musilage [10k?\]: hehe... 40 moves ago consensus was that B couldn't lose...
apple [3d\]: lol
apple [3d\]: really?
jjermann [3k\]: no ;)
jjermann [3k\]: never
musilage [10k?\]: lot of talk about how W couldn't possibly win
apple [3d\]: hehe
shuuin [2k\]: j9
Sauterelle [2k\]: b b13 was perhaps to slow ?
jjermann [3k\]: now the yose probably starts
jjermann [3k\]: or not yet?
Uberdude [3d\]: o4 or some reduction
aitkensam [-\]: N17 was yose i spose
Masurao [-\]: he is looking for the best yose move
chrpa [1k\]: yose started long time ago - i guess
jjermann [3k\]: hmm I wouldn't say chrpa
chrpa [1k\]: b13 was yose 
Uberdude [3d\]: j18 is big too
aitkensam [-\]: maybe reading M2? or just counting?
Masurao [-\]: J18 big reverse sente, L2 6 points double sente
MXHero [3d\]: q8 seems huge
Uberdude [3d\]: point is l2 might make o4 or whatever around there les good
aitkensam [-\]: O4 does the same to L2 uber =)
jjermann [3k\]: q8 let's black connect below though
Avidya [5d?\]: if you're going to o4 why not o3?
jjermann [3k\]: ok but gote
jjermann [3k\]: is N7 sente?
Solid30k [4k\]: w + 25
jjermann [3k\]: for J8
]
;W[kr]C[Masurao [-\]: ah ah !
aitkensam [-\]: this move surely says he has won =)
aitkensam [-\]: if he keeps it this simple must be happy
]
;B[lr]C[royalty [3d\]: simple is often the best move
Masurao [-\]: this move worth six points, but it is the only double sente move
FrozenV7 [5k\]: i think its worth much more
royalty [3d\]: 6x4
Sauterelle [2k\]: =24
Masurao [-\]: for me it is 6 points
MXHero [3d\]: why 24?
MXHero [3d\]: yeah, looks like 6 :)
musilage [10k?\]: why 6x4 royalty?
aitkensam [-\]: its freaking huge, we dont need to know how much, thats for pros to tell us
snowmen [3d\]: sente = * 2, double Sente = *4
Masurao [-\]: it is only 6 points, but it is free of charge since it is double sente
]
;W[op]C[jjermann [3k\]: hmm
jjermann [3k\]: Q8 sente here?
musilage [10k?\]: interesting, snowman
MXHero [3d\]: that seems odd to double the value of just sente moves; you already have those points
]
;B[pl]C[MXHero [3d\]: unless that is just a guage of when to play those moves
chrpa [1k\]: sure, it is not that easy
Avidya [5d?\]: well if you don't play them your opponent will
Uberdude [3d\]: qall those yose calculations are based ona continum of gote plays existing though
Avidya [5d?\]: so that will be the swing
Wrenn [5k\]: also the worth of getting the next move is the idea i think
aitkensam [-\]: this is why we should kill big dragons in middle game
Solid30k [4k\]: p7?
Sauterelle [2k\]: one move is sente if, and only if, your opponent answers
FrozenV7 [5k\]: don't you count extra points you get because m1 is sente for white too
chrpa [1k\]: yes, but there is a different value of the following moves
MXHero [3d\]: that's included in the 6 points forzen
Sauterelle [2k\]: so to count you must double the value
snowman [-\]: interesting...
Avidya [5d?\]: if i was w i would've played q8 instead, but i'm rubbish at endgame
Masurao [-\]: I don't think it is a good thing to multiply by 4 double sente move. It is just cash you take
Uberdude [3d\]: why not *5?
Uberdude [3d\]: or infinty?
MXHero [3d\]: also, there is less aji after l2, so it technically is not even exactly 6 points
royalty [3d\]: why play sente if you can play gote?
leperenoel [-\]: w's leadding?
Masurao [-\]: In fact, in theroy, this is infinity :)
atyk3 [2d\]: it depends on how much you lose if you dont answer
meijing [3d\]: *42 sounds nice
jjermann [3k\]: Radek is famous for his yose isn't he?
Sauterelle [2k\]: because if there is a double gote play which leads to a won game, this gote is better than every other double sente play, so inty doesnt work
royalty [3d\]: double gote is worth exactly the amount you count
royalty [3d\]: sente for one side is double
Uberdude [3d\]: o2 ?
Uberdude [3d\]: only consistent move
]
;W[on]C[royalty [3d\]: however what are sente and what are not are relative
idazuwaika [5d?\]: hi uber
Uberdude [3d\]: hi zaid
Uberdude [3d\]: ready for japan yet?
MXHero [3d\]: i'd play a 24 point double gote play before a 6 point double sente play, certainly
Uberdude [3d\]: depends how sente
oplk [12k\]: w slight lead
Winc [-\]: ..is w 5p or just 5d?
royalty [3d\]: they would be equal, if they are truly double sente
Uberdude [3d\]: if the follow up is to kill a 50 stones group then u are silly
Avidya [5d?\]: this move feels thin
MXHero [3d\]: only if the follow-up for the sente is at least 18 points, i'd wager
Avidya [5d?\]: b will have p7 later
Masurao [-\]: yose is something complicated, but I guess we have to play any double sente move before others
musilage [10k?\]: winc, it says pro
]
;B[ec]C[Wrenn [5k\]: only equal if the moves you get from the double sente are also worth six points
jjermann [3k\]: royalty: doesn't that depend on how much sente the sente play is?
Winc [-\]: but if hes a pro then... thats not fair
royalty [3d\]: as i said, the sente is relative
MXHero [3d\]: if they are -absolute sente- sure
DoDonPachi [1d\]: why not?
Masurao [-\]: Moreovere it really make sense to count gote moves or reverse sente moves in fact
pasky [-\]: winc, it's open tournament
musilage [10k?\]: it's a tourney. all's fair, no handi, just do your best
chrpa [1k\]: oOO, this move!
Winc [-\]: whats the prize?
Wrenn [5k\]: the reason for f16
Masurao [-\]: What about the time on the clocks ?
musilage [10k?\]: cupie doll. a big one  ;-)
Avidya [5d?\]: yea but i think he payed more for f16 earlier than he gains here
Winc [-\]: a doll... i want one too =P
BrnoPGEC07 [?\]: black has last 30 seconds, W 10 min.
idazuwaika [5d?\]: bottom left too big
DoDonPachi [1d\]: so play in byoyomi, that sucks for yose
apple [3d\]: o.O black is down to 30 seconds?
ToyaStyle [7k\]: i might sound stupid but w cannot cut in e16?
snowman [-\]: e16 is very natural
jjermann [3k\]: yes :)
snowman [-\]: i guess he's calculating the score
MXHero [3d\]: i'm not sure what w is worried about here
jjermann [3k\]: I don't see black's plan
snowmen [3d\]: e16 only move
]
;W[ed]C[jjermann [3k\]: maybe to make A16 more sente?
Masurao [-\]: jjermann : just for yose
Masurao [-\]: (or time :p)
jjermann [3k\]: ah
MXHero [3d\]: a16 is already sente enough, must have to do with b h18 or something
BrnoPGEC07 [?\]: black in byo
nbnf05 [2k\]: more sente than sente xD
jjermann [3k\]: ^^
Sauterelle [2k\]: e17 is a negative yose
]
;B[hb]C[jjermann [3k\]: more sente than P3
jjermann [3k\]: whatever
Pugna [4d\]: i think
Pugna [4d\]: black made a mistkae in move 5
jjermann [3k\]: hmm
MXHero [3d\]: which move was that pugna?
apple [3d\]: lol i didnt like d10 either
]
;W[eb]C[jjermann [3k\]: H17 is kinda consisten with black's N16 peep play ^^
apple [3d\]: but i wouldn't say it was a mistake
royalty [3d\]: pugna, you need to prove it
jjermann [3k\]: H18
jjermann [3k\]: sry
MXHero [3d\]: oh, ok yeah i don't like d10 either
pasky [-\]: B+64
]
;B[om]C[ToyaStyle [7k\]: ?
Wrenn [5k\]: SE
snowman [-\]: errore score est
Wrenn [5k\]: :)
apple [3d\]: lol se
]
;W[ol]
;B[pm]C[Pugna [4d\]: i find this game quite strange
Avidya [5d?\]: me too
Pugna [4d\]: w went securing corners very early and i dont get why
Pugna [4d\]: whats radeks rank?
chrpa [1k\]: 6dan
apple [3d\]: 6d
idazuwaika [5d?\]: whats weird about securing corner?
cerebra [2k\]: n4
idazuwaika [5d?\]: especially for white
andref [4k\]: w is playing with b by securing the corners early
pasky [-\]: corners are cozy
Pugna [4d\]: it was very early to do so
chrpa [1k\]: Seok bin won with Christian Pop
FrozenV7 [5k\]: d3 was necessary with two low extensions on the sides
MXHero [3d\]: well i just really didn't like r14, for sure
aitkensam [-\]: seok bin is awesome
Avidya [5d?\]: who won out of Pop and Seok Bin?
idazuwaika [5d?\]: some ppl played 3-3 opening to secure corner in first move..
]
;W[mm]C[idazuwaika [5d?\]: btw havent seen this game replayed.. probably really weird
MXHero [3d\]: :)
Avidya [5d?\]: i think the corner is more about stability than territory
]
;B[kl]C[atyk3 [2d\]: O2?
snowman [-\]: depends who you ask, go seigen or kitani minoru
Avidya [5d?\]: :)
]
;W[oq]C[pasky [-\]: I think both liked 3-3 in the end, didn't they? :)
jjermann [3k\]: wasn't p7 kinda bad ending in gote?
]
;B[il]C[idazuwaika [5d?\]: go seigen and kitani didnt win many titles did they?
Avidya [5d?\]: are you talking about centre style Kitani or hard cash style Kitani?
Avidya [5d?\]: later on his play became so tight
]
;W[im]C[wauiwa [3d?\]: because go seigen was not allowed to play title gams
Winc [-\]: maybe they were to lazy to enter the tourna
Avidya [5d?\]: also because Go was hit by a motorcycle
]
;B[fl]
;W[fm]C[Avidya [5d?\]: and then had health problems that made long games hard
Winc [-\]: he wasnt?
snowman [-\]: idazuwaika, they were weak :)
idazuwaika [5d?\]: oh.. i got it :)
]
;B[fk]
;W[jl]
;B[ik]C[idazuwaika [5d?\]: cho chikun was hit by car too
pasky [-\]: and kitani's pupils comfortably made up for him in the number of titles ;-)
Pugna [4d\]: w seems ok
Kamisama [2k\]: ;o
MXHero [3d\]: whoa!! does l7 work??
jjermann [3k\]: L7 M7?
MXHero [3d\]: m6 then what?
jjermann [3k\]: aiming at N6 O6
Avidya [5d?\]: m7 gets you snapbacked
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;W[km]C[zen [6k\]: m7 get your back snapped
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;B[hm]C[idazuwaika [5d?\]: o5
jjermann [3k\]: black can sac N10
jjermann [3k\]: if it gets P6 group
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;W[lm]C[wauiwa [3d?\]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go_Seigen
idazuwaika [5d?\]: oho.
idazuwaika [5d?\]: didnt see m7
Avidya [5d?\]: oops
MXHero [3d\]: why not w j6 first?
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;B[gm]C[Pugna [4d\]: still black not connected
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;W[lk]C[apple [3d\]: o.O
Pugna [4d\]: j5 left 
Princy [1d\]: this is bigger..
Avidya [5d?\]: angry
MXHero [3d\]: maybe w is being merciful
hapal [3k\]: O_o...
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;B[fn]
;W[go]
;B[em]C[raw [9k?\]: wow this has been a while
MXHero [3d\]: soon not
raw [9k?\]: :P
andref [4k\]: b is beeing slaughtered
Kamisama [2k\]: will f6 be enough is the question :)
jjermann [3k\]: J6
MXHero [3d\]: j6 please!
raw [9k?\]: :D
apple [3d\]: maybe black knew he was way behind and had to play something riskier?
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;W[pr]C[snowman [-\]: mercy?
raw [9k?\]: Is this game called chess?
Princy [1d\]: lmao j6
tigercat [?\]: checkers
raw [9k?\]: ok
MXHero [3d\]: seems so snow o.O
sud [1d\]: wj6 is not small now
jjermann [3k\]: or F5?
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;B[qr]C[aitkensam [-\]: resign time :s
jjermann [3k\]: is F5 sente?
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;W[pp]
;B[qq]C[Avidya [5d?\]: he wants to make q4 sente
andref [4k\]: cut?
Princy [1d\]: ya w must j6
MXHero [3d\]: ok please w, seal the deal
Avidya [5d?\]: can't see why not to
BrnoPGEC07 [?\]: w in byo
musilage [10k?\]: raw, in some places go is also known as chess
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;W[in]C[XiaXia [2d?\]: m8??
Kamisama [2k\]: j6 now looks like a good timeing
hapal [3k\]: ^^
Princy [1d\]: haha
Princy [1d\]: b res
Winc [-\]: wha i leave for 5 min and n8 die?! how the hell
raw [9k?\]: I know musilage :P
Avidya [5d?\]: r3....
raw [9k?\]: Kamisama =\]
MXHero [3d\]: omg this game turned into a slaughter in 10 moves
Kamisama [2k\]: yow raw, lang gelede ;p
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;B[nr]C[jjermann [3k\]: though black has a lot of sente plays to live
tigercat [?\]: wow w played q 2 first to prevent the connect
raw [9k?\]: ja he :D
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;W[or]C[Avidya [5d?\]: and to make q4 sente
raw [9k?\]: O2 is odd ?
Samowar [2k\]: but b alive, no?
Avidya [5d?\]: otherwise b could o5 etc
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;B[kq]C[jjermann [3k\]: O2 is normal
davou [4k\]: we get pandanet games now?
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;W[jr]C[MXHero [3d\]: o2 is important to try to live, raw
raw [9k?\]: ok
MXHero [3d\]: normally bad though
idazuwaika [5d?\]: 10k can kill this
jjermann [3k\]: O5 also
Avidya [5d?\]: desperate times....
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;B[kn]
;W[jm]C[Kamisama [2k\]: i dont really see it live 
MXHero [3d\]: n4?
apple [3d\]: n4 l4 k4 o3 
Dunadan8 [9k?\]: o6 for black ? 
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;B[no]C[wanchan [1k\]: maybe better odds with o3 and hoping for w o4
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;W[nn]C[durden [1k?\]: that cant be good, i was thinking of 05
aitkensam [-\]: problem is L5 is not a sente eye
Princy [1d\]: w doesnt even need the kill
MXHero [3d\]: true
snowman [-\]: can't live
musilage [10k?\]: i cant wait to be 6d so i can get beat up like this  :-)
aitkensam [-\]: therefore its dead
apple [3d\]: lol musilage
zen [6k\]: well getting beat up is not the hard part :P
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;B[fp]
;W[fo]
;B[eo]C[goLord [5d\]: n4 would have lives
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;W[ep]C[Princy [1d\]: b is abusing...
raw [9k?\]: finding a challenger that is :P
nbnf05 [2k\]: black already alive ?
hapal [3k\]: no....
idazuwaika [5d?\]: extremely game over
XiaXia [2d?\]: resign?
Princy [1d\]: ya
jjermann [3k\]: no way to live?
Princy [1d\]: no
wanchan [1k\]: none
jjermann [3k\]: M7 winning move then
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;B[fq]C[Avidya [5d?\]: yea i thought n4 was better too
Kamisama [2k\]: lol f3
snowman [-\]: rubbish
XiaXia [2d?\]: so desperate
Avidya [5d?\]: now b is just being annoying
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;W[jp]C[raw [9k?\]: f3 is perfect :D
sud [1d\]: a nechanicky never resign
Avidya [5d?\]: :(
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;B[kp]C[nbnf05 [2k\]: how can you read that there was no way to live ?
Princy [1d\]: gote..
MXHero [3d\]: is it gote death?
Princy [1d\]: lol
snowman [-\]: sai told me
wanchan [1k\]: by going through every variation
MXHero [3d\]: maybe g2 to be safe :)
idazuwaika [5d?\]: not easy to have chance to play against a pro... better play all moves till the end
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;W[dm]
;B[en]C[Princy [1d\]: haha
MXHero [3d\]: haha, w is annoyed now, clearly
apple [3d\]: lol
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;W[gr]C[hapal [3k\]: y e6...
Avidya [5d?\]: w is just playing calmly
Kamisama [2k\]: f2 is a, please resign option
chrpa [1k\]: all the time you laughing to loosing side - thats not it
aitkensam [-\]: snap snap hapal
Kamisama [2k\]: g2
MXHero [3d\]: oh, d7 was not even a tenuki
Avidya [5d?\]: yea
idazuwaika [5d?\]: is that white shape alive ?
Avidya [5d?\]: if b's going to be stubborn why not take profit?
wanchan [1k\]: without e6 w can e6 and capture some stones that kill f3 automatically
Chousuke [?\]: I think B is annoying W in order to cause a mistake.
raw [9k?\]: suppose so
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;B[ln]C[idazuwaika [5d?\]: if black was alive outside, could white live locally?
aitkensam [-\]: dont think so idazu, but it makes no diff anyway
MXHero [3d\]: good luck with that, against a pro :P
Kamisama [2k\]: hmm, is it rude for white to play his next move at a1 ^^
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;W[mp]C[wanchan [1k\]: a bit silly maybe, since b could have lived then with n4
BrnoPGEC07 [?\]: black resigns, white won
Avidya [5d?\]: probably
Masurao [-\]: resign now
aitkensam [-\]: yay
Avidya [5d?\]: what's the point of a1?
idazuwaika [5d?\]: -1
Avidya [5d?\]: no need to do that
Chrille [8k?\]: thanks
XiaXia [2d?\]: w could let b live and still win
musilage [10k?\]: A1 would be insulting
tigercat [?\]: w could pass
MXHero [3d\]: thank you brno!
wanchan [1k\]: i think a1 would be a negative point for w
tigercat [?\]: maybe w could throw some seeds at b while b is thinking
Uberdude [3d\]: killing in yose is fun
Avidya [5d?\]: thanks Brno
Dunadan8 [9k?\]: thx
Dunadan8 [9k?\]: is there another game ?
XiaXia [2d?\]: round 3 later
wanchan [1k\]: thanks for relaying
idazuwaika [5d?\]: pro playing in second board? whos playing in first board?
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