(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]
GN[Pandanet Go European Cup - Brno, 4th round, 2nd board]PW[Cristian Pop, 7.dan]PB[Kamil Chwedyna, 3.dan]DT[2007-09-01]EV[Brno]RO[4]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]
;B[qc]
;W[dp]
;B[oo]
;W[dd]
;B[pi]
;W[qo]
;B[qp]
;W[rp]
;B[pp]
;W[qq]
;B[rq]
;W[rr]
;B[ro]
;W[sq]
;B[qn]
;W[nq]
;B[jd]
;W[pd]C[knife [3k\]: are these relays from IGS, or is the game recorder there
sherryjay [1k\]: these aren't relays, afaik; the first board is on IGS, though
Prologue [-\]: funky fuseki
]
;B[pc]
;W[od]
;B[oc]
;W[nd]
;B[nc]
;W[md]
;B[mc]
;W[ld]C[sherryjay [1k\]: in 131 moves, q11 will be dead
MISIO [3d\]: did pop lost to cho?
BrnoPGEC07 [?\]: yes
MISIO [3d\]: thank u
MISIO [3d\]: who is now plaing on first board?
BrnoPGEC07 [?\]: http://www.goweb.cz/node/41
MISIO [3d\]: thx
BrnoPGEC07 [?\]: Taranu vs. Cho
Matsuyama [3k\]: Cristian and Kamil are pro?
TheClam [8k\]: no
MISIO [3d\]: kamil is fich on kgs 4d
Matsuyama [3k\]: ok
MISIO [3d\]: fish
TheClam [8k\]: Christian is Solaris
]
;B[lc]
;W[qd]C[kobuz [-\]: fisz :)
Marek [7d\]: ;-)
]
;B[pg]C[Zoster [3k\]: and cpop
]
;W[mh]
;B[mj]
;W[gc]
;B[kd]C[Unranked [1k\]: very good teacher btw
]
;W[oh]C[Solid30k [4k\]: cpop is not pro,right ?
Unranked [1k\]: no
samotnosc [1d?\]: no
weiqidevil [-\]: is the result in upper right good enough for white?
jjputz [4k\]: who is cho
jjputz [4k\]: who is this cho you guys are talkinga bout
weiqidevil [-\]: cho seok-bin maybe
jjputz [4k\]: cho chikun?
BrnoPGEC07 [?\]: Cho Seok Bin, 7.dan
knife [3k\]: yea. he's on board one on igs
Kangur [-\]: his kgs nick is bin7674
knife [3k\]: playing white, against the pro
jjputz [4k\]: how is cho chikun doing in this tournament
Kangur [-\]: no cho chikun there:)
not5k [5k\]: no handicrap is werid
TheClam [8k\]: How do you get on there?
TheClam [8k\]: to the games on igs
jjputz [4k\]: is it illegal to copy the game from igs to kgs?
knife [3k\]: you're not allowed
knife [3k\]: but i dont think its illegal
jjputz [4k\]: why not allowed?
jjputz [4k\]: i don't see the game on igs btw
knife [3k\]: it is on igs i see it
knife [3k\]: game #83
jjputz [4k\]: oh ok
jjputz [4k\]: i see it
jjputz [4k\]: cho is white?
knife [3k\]: yea, it says at the top
jjputz [4k\]: isn't catalin a girl's name lol
YodaNorimo [4d\]: ¬¬
]
;B[ph]
;W[kh]C[knife [3k\]: what are the time controls for this tournament
Javaness [1d\]: forza pop
apiapo [10k?\]: 7 dan and 3 dan pro or not??
Javaness [1d\]: they are both amateurs
apiapo [10k?\]: thx
]
;B[nf]C[sherryjay [1k\]: so far seems like b is doing well :)
]
;W[mf]C[willzhang [9d\]: black openning is cool
Unranked [1k\]: the game is being played where his advantage was though, left side not played at all yet
Unranked [1k\]: (can you tell I'm rooting for Cristian?)
sherryjay [1k\]: we can and you are evil ;)
Unranked [1k\]: bah
zen [6k\]: seems like b does all the thinking
sherryjay [1k\]: he'll surely crush Cristian ;)
Unranked [1k\]: that is not very easy to do
Unranked [1k\]: ask cornel
Javaness [1d\]: solaris is not crushable
sherryjay [1k\]: but this is fisz, fisz!
]
;B[kj]C[Javaness [1d\]: fisz weak like fish
sherryjay [1k\]: you underestimate da fish powa'
]
;W[jb]
;B[ib]
;W[ic]
;B[jc]
;W[hb]
;B[kb]
;W[mp]C[zedi [1d\]: that wasnt very good for b
Unranked [1k\]: W got it for free which is surely nice
Javaness [1d\]: black should resign
zedi [1d\]: i think the situation was even 8 moves ago
weiqidevil [-\]: lol. SE tells us, that d4 is dead
]
;B[cf]
;W[mn]C[Javaness [1d\]: SE strong
weiqidevil [-\]: no one makes better jokes :)
]
;B[dm]
;W[fp]
;B[ih]
;W[nj]
;B[ni]
;W[mi]C[artem92 [6d\]: is b 3p or 3d?
weiqidevil [-\]: 3 dan
artem92 [6d\]: hm
artem92 [6d\]: strange
weiqidevil [-\]: is he playing very good for a 3d?
IHateKGS [1d\]: I don't think so
IHateKGS [1d\]: he is already getting intimidated
artem92 [6d\]: his position is very good now
]
;B[nk]
;W[oj]
;B[oi]
;W[lj]
;B[mk]C[zen [6k\]: I like black
]
;W[lk]C[MISIO [3d\]: i like him to he is a funny perso^^
weiqidevil [-\]: do you know him personally?
MISIO [3d\]: yes
HFIRE [15k\]: he could seal off the right side (which is his already) and focus on the left one. space battle
]
;B[lo]C[weiqidevil [-\]: does he always play these interesting concepts?
]
;W[ml]
;B[ok]
;W[mo]C[MISIO [3d\]: u mean weird?:p
IHateKGS [1d\]: still favor b?
MISIO [3d\]: i dont think so
weiqidevil [-\]: erhhhh,...... yes :)
zedi [1d\]: now b must defend the left side i think
IHateKGS [1d\]: his position has been deteriorating pretty consistently
wanchess [10k?\]: favor white
rat [5k\]: wow, no handi, and black is still doing so well
zen [6k\]: I think his weirdness is working nicely for him
IHateKGS [1d\]: it is still early
IHateKGS [1d\]: white is patient
zedi [1d\]: b doesnt have much more territory to be achieved
zedi [1d\]: w does
IHateKGS [1d\]: this is an actual tournament, not a speed kgs game. he can take his time
zen [6k\]: sure he does, b wants the whole left side too
]
;B[ll]
;W[kk]
;B[kl]
;W[jk]C[IHateKGS [1d\]: do you think that is likely?
zedi [1d\]: w is too strong on the outside there
weiqidevil [-\]: hmmm. could a 7d beat a 3d in a tournament game, where there is quite a large thinking time with 4 handi?
Baduk4you [4d\]: he doesnt gain anything
zedi [1d\]: b is starting to be in trouble
rat [5k\]: how so?
ronni [1k\]: last 5 moves a gift for w
zedi [1d\]: w attacks something soon
weiqidevil [-\]: or better asked: would 4 still still be the proper handicap?
weiqidevil [-\]: stones*
zedi [1d\]: L8 dies or w splits d c14
ronni [1k\]: now w has options for big territory in lower side and attack on left side
IHateKGS [1d\]: since n4 black has been going downhill
killmaniac [1k?\]: weiqidevil==>are you the one from the european go congress? "weiqidevil and the shitty stones"
weiqidevil [-\]: no i am not
ronni [1k\]: b must use joker move 
]
;B[hq]
;W[dj]C[weiqidevil [-\]: did they really use the word "weiqidevil"?
ronni [1k\]: h3 and c10 in one move
Javaness [1d\]: i like that they play blitz
rat [5k\]: blitz?
rat [5k\]: isn't blitz supposed to be fast?
Unranked [1k\]: W plays blitz, B thinks a lot
]
;B[go]
;W[fn]C[Effron [2k\]: w thinks while b thinks
IHateKGS [1d\]: white is confident. he is thick, so gets an advantage from making the game complicated
IHateKGS [1d\]: thus, h3 not good
]
;B[fm]
;W[gn]
;B[fj]C[IHateKGS [1d\]: black needed something more solid, less adventurous
zedi [1d\]: soon b starts dieing
weiqidevil [-\]: it is not nice of you to ignore my questions
]
;W[en]
;B[dk]
;W[ck]C[Effron [2k\]: "don't attach to weak stones"
IHateKGS [1d\]: maybe he censored you
rat [5k\]: killmaniac isn't there
weiqidevil [-\]: i mean everyone
ronni [1k\]: cross cut possible for b
rat [5k\]: no clue, maybe
]
;B[ek]
;W[cl]
;B[cm]
;W[ch]C[Javaness [1d\]: i learnt not to fight with solaris
IHateKGS [1d\]: black is not going to get anywhere with this smut
IHateKGS [1d\]: whoops, there goes his territory
ImNoSensei [-\]: black is doing what he can against someone much stronger
Hipcio [3d\]: DAWAJ FISZ
rat [5k\]: o.o
Unranked [1k\]: I remember in one lesson he asked me "What are you trying to do here?" and I said "Kill your XX group." and he just smiled
ronni [1k\]: if b can neutralize lower and left side, he will win
IHateKGS [1d\]: uh... playing really stupid moves?
MISIO [3d\]: asy to say
IHateKGS [1d\]: you forget "not getting killed"
rat [5k\]: c17
MISIO [3d\]: easy
Unranked [1k\]: well, he also said "It's not easy to kill a 7dan." lol
]
;B[cd]C[etern1tyST [1d\]: On the 2nd board, Chwedyna has 25 minutes left, Pop used only 7 minutes, majority of them by walking to his board 
etern1tyST [1d\]: (comes from igs)
sheeryjay [5k\]: lol :(
Repacse [8d?\]: that must be annoying
FrostDragn [2d\]: lol
Unranked [1k\]: he's thinking here though
rat [5k\]: close enuff
rat [5k\]: c17, c16.
]
;W[cc]
;B[ed]
;W[de]
;B[df]C[ronni [1k\]: what is b doing?
ronni [1k\]: believes to kill d10
rat [5k\]: black plays b7
]
;W[ej]C[maks [2k\]: trying kill c12
]
;B[fk]
;W[eh]C[etern1tyST [1d\]: Brno2007(7d?) kibitz to observers: We have stickers with number to be glued on paper, Silt just sticks those numbers on Pop
etern1tyST [1d\]: (from igs again . lol)
rat [5k\]: no one talks on IGS lol
etern1tyST [1d\]: push button chat
raid [1k\]: he was talking about stickers to be used for a kifu
]
;B[dc]C[theDervish [6k\]: IGS IS LAME
theDervish [6k\]: sorry just my opinion
KZhang [6k\]: igs seems to be a few stones stronger than kgs right?
]
;W[ec]C[theDervish [6k\]: yea i agree
]
;B[db]C[ronni [1k\]: but kgs has better stones
ronni [1k\]: shell style
]
;W[ee]C[rat [5k\]: lol?
raid [1k\]: also they don't mock other servers in igs
Unranked [1k\]: qGo client has nice stones
ImNoSensei [-\]: cool, I'll just go on KGS and I'll be a few stones srnger
ImNoSensei [-\]: IGS*
Unranked [1k\]: you'll be stones weaker on IGS
rat [5k\]: a few stones weaker
ImNoSensei [-\]: won't attempt humor anymore ...
rat [5k\]: im 9k on IGS =/
theDervish [6k\]: really ur a 9k
rat [5k\]: yes
theDervish [6k\]: thats crazy 
theDervish [6k\]: 4 stones is alot
rat [5k\]: Do people in tournaments ever play simuls?
swifty [2d\]: B16
ronni [1k\]: yes - good idea
rat [5k\]: SE sensei says black is losing
ronni [1k\]: SE : Steady error
etern1tyST [1d\]: Christian is observing the game(cho vs catalin), with 266 sticker on his stomach 
Unranked [1k\]: lol
ImNoSensei [-\]: why isn't that game one of the first two tables ?
]
;B[ce]
;W[cb]C[zedi [1d\]: b didnt see b16...
ImNoSensei [-\]: oh maybe it is table one, but not shown here :<
ronni [1k\]: b sacrifies corner
]
;B[eb]
;W[fb]
;B[fc]
;W[fd]C[immortal [4k\]: i can give 4 stone , who wants to be my victim
immortal [4k\]: ?
Idn [2d\]: b18 
ronni [1k\]: cho?
Repacse [8d?\]: inside connections are like the soft rains of spring, hardly noticed they make the yangtze overflow
maks [2k\]: cho seok-bin
rat [5k\]: c17?
]
;B[bb]
;W[ec]
;B[bc]
;W[nl]
;B[fr]
;W[ol]C[ronni [1k\]: gonna be tough for s5 group
sheeryjay [5k\]: ImNoSensei - the first table is shown on IGS
ImNoSensei [-\]: we get the scrubs T__T
ImNoSensei [-\]: (not to show disrespect to the other tables, just kidding)
Baobob137 [6k\]: are these european pros or amateurs?
Chuky [2k\]: amateurs
ImNoSensei [-\]: Catalin Tanaru is pro
Chuky [2k\]: pros have a "p" instead of a "d"
Chuky [2k\]: ya i've seen a 5p in this tournament today
MISIO [3d\]: but there's no such thing as european pro
Unranked [1k\]: catalin is 5p japan yes?
Baobob137 [6k\]: yes there is, for example, alexandre dinerchtein and fan hui
ImNoSensei [-\]: Fan Hui is a chinese pro, Alexander is a Korean pro
Chuky [2k\]: ya egf doesn't give pro diplomas though
ImNoSensei [-\]: they live in europe, that's all
]
;B[pj]
;W[ql]
;B[rl]
;W[er]C[Baobob137 [6k\]: and they're european
ronni [1k\]: big reduction - but f2 was nice for b too
]
;B[fq]
;W[co]
;B[lq]
;W[lp]
;B[kq]
;W[qk]
;B[pl]
;W[pm]
;B[qm]
;W[pk]
;B[rk]
;W[qj]
;B[ri]
;W[kp]
;B[io]
;W[jq]
;B[jr]
;W[jp]
;B[lr]
;W[hp]
;B[gp]
;W[iq]
;B[ir]
;W[ho]
;B[hn]
;W[ip]C[sentient: now to make f9 live...:/
]
;B[hm]
;W[fo]
;B[gq]
;W[eq]
;B[es]
;W[ds]
;B[fs]
;W[hk]
;B[ij]
;W[ik]
;B[ki]
;W[li]C[Graouleu [8k\]: g7 huge?
]
;B[hl]
;W[gi]C[Repacse [5d?\]: only if it lives
ronni [1k\]: question is to survive ...
ronni [1k\]: g11 for b would have been nice
Hikarujr [3k\]: it seemed a bit greedy to me 
spongy [1d\]: who´s leading?
domie [1d\]: what is this game ? sorry to ask but I don't understand BrnoPGEC07 info
Koons [2k\]: one way or the other the three pieces were getting cut in two
maks [2k\]: if F10 will die w win
Effron [2k\]: either way w can get a lot with e7 
BrnoPGEC07 [?\]: black resigns, white won
sentient: championnat thceque domie
sheeryjay [5k\]: this game is from European Cup - http://www.eurogofed.org/eurocup/
Koons [2k\]: thx
domie [1d\]: thx
sentient: thx Brno
XiaXia [2d?\]: w strong
sheeryjay [5k\]: results on http://www.goweb.cz/node/41 , sgf on http://egoban.blogspot.com/2007/08/brno-318-29-pgec-gpr.html
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