(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]
PW[Ondrej Fidrmuc, 4.dan]PB[Cho SeokBin, 7.dan]DT[2007-08-31]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]
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;W[dh]C[Unplugged [-\]: hello watchers
BrnoPGEC07 [?\]: a both players are away
XY0908 [-\]: ;-)
YoungOne [2d\]: Are they fighting with swords? 
BrnoPGEC07 [?\]: :)
BrnoPGEC07 [?\]: cho seok is back
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;B[gd]C[XY0908 [-\]: Once I watched a professional tournament in Korea and I thought it was very strange that players stood up and walked to others' games to watch while playing.
XY0908 [-\]: Sometimes they just disappear for a long time.
Fredrik [8d?\]: go ondrejj <3
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;B[ef]
;W[fe]C[XY0908 [-\]: I am for Mr. Cho ;-)
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;B[dd]
;W[fc]
;B[cc]
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;B[ff]
;W[ge]
;B[cb]C[XY0908 [-\]: C18 vs B16... which is better?
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;W[df]
;B[dg]
;W[cf]
;B[cg]
;W[be]
;B[ce]
;W[bf]
;B[bg]C[sheeryjay [5k\]: unfortunatelly I fear this game is not about who wins, but how many points will Ondrej lose in the end on Seok-Bin :(
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;W[bd]
;B[cd]
;W[bc]
;B[bb]C[XY0908 [-\]: why such negativity for Ondrej?
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;W[eg]
;B[bi]C[Fredrik [8d?\]: Well, the difference in strength is quite obvious...
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;W[ci]
;B[bh]C[YoungOne [2d\]: That was quick...
YoungOne [2d\]: Poor white.
TeeSushi [1d\]: its a joseki 
YoungOne [2d\]: Really?
TeeSushi [1d\]: yes
XY0908 [-\]: Joseki, yes.
YoungOne [2d\]: Seems kinda bad for white...
Ant1990on [3k?\]: why doesn't white play at F13?
TeeSushi [1d\]: now w gets some ladderbreaker arounf q4 
XY0908 [-\]: right, but I still don't like w's result.
TeeSushi [1d\]: me neither
TeeSushi [1d\]: but i've seen this in some pro games
sheeryjay [5k\]: XY, Cho Seok-Bin is bin7674 - guess why I was so negative about Ondrej's chances :(
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;W[bj]
;B[ac]
;W[pp]
;B[fg]C[XY0908 [-\]: It's a wrong choice of joseki for W from the beginning because of B's Q3.
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;W[qq]
;B[ic]C[XY0908 [-\]: sheeryjay: I know, but I would never say such thing to anyone who is trying his best.
TeeSushi [1d\]: seok-bin is near pro level or at least close to it
XY0908 [-\]: ex-insei in Korea.
Sonni [1d?\]: I thought it was wrong joseki choice for B because white got nice ladder breakers ^^
YoungOne [2d\]: White got nothing from that joseki.
TeeSushi [1d\]: well seok-bin knows better i guess xD
XY0908 [-\]: Right bottom corner still has many aji, that's why.
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;W[ie]
;B[kd]C[sheeryjay [5k\]: well, I did not mean it in any bad way - in fact I am sad that he will do his best and in the end probly lose :(
XY0908 [-\]: White still needs another move to take the whole corner.
trumpet [2k\]: and even then there's aji
XY0908 [-\]: yes.
Fredrik [8d?\]: result in upperleft should be good for w
Fredrik [8d?\]: q4 ladderbreaker is very powerful
XY0908 [-\]: OK.
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;W[hg]C[Fredrik [8d?\]: But perhaps opinion is changing about this. I learned only to play upperleft when Q3 is Q4, to make the ladderbreaker less powerful. But i've also seen Lee Sedol endure Q4 ladderbreaker recently
XY0908 [-\]: Lee as B?
poiuytrewq: What kind of game is this?
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;B[eh]C[sheeryjay [5k\]: http://www.eurogofed.org/eurocup/
sheeryjay [5k\]: direct tournament relay
TeeSushi [1d\]: the link doesnt work 
XY0908 [-\]: yes, it works...
sheeryjay [5k\]: hmm, it does for me
Midorya [2d\]: which round is it?
slyne [3k\]: it doesn't for me
sheeryjay [5k\]: maybe copy it instead of clicking?
sotiris361 [7k\]: me neither
sheeryjay [5k\]: first round
slyne [3k\]: maybe to much connections
XY0908 [-\]: Fredrik, do you know Ondrej in person?
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;W[mc]C[sheeryjay [5k\]: started around 16:55-17:00
trumpet [2k\]: MESZ?
Dredeas [3k\]: oh! bin is playing!
Dredeas [3k\]: seems a game that is decided before it starts...
sheeryjay [5k\]: schedule and list of registered players can be found on http://www.goweb.cz/node/41
Dredeas [3k\]: seems the other game is too... a game that is almost surely decided before it begins
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;B[me]
;W[oc]
;B[nd]C[Fredrik [8d?\]: yes i do, XY
Fredrik [8d?\]: he is simillar strength to mine, or a bit stronger... So should stand no chance against Bin :D
XY0908 [-\]: Why aren't you in the tournament, Fredrik?
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;W[qc]C[sheeryjay [5k\]: Fredrik - I got scolded by XY for saying something similar ;)
XY0908 [-\]: ;-)
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;B[rc]C[Dredeas [3k\]: wow... fredrik, means the difference between 8d, and 9d, on KGS, is big difference?
Fredrik [8d?\]: I would like to, but i started school some weeks ago, so no time.
Claire [?\]: means kgs rank is much different from egf rank :)
Fredrik [8d?\]: Dredeas: You can watch 'Fredi' account to see my latest rated game :)
Fredrik [8d?\]: And Bin is one of the strongest at KGS
XY0908 [-\]: Ahh! Yes, school is more important. I like that.
Mi [-\]: dont start again that stupid disscusion about kgs rank...
sheeryjay [5k\]: strangely enough not that a lot of foreign players in Brno - a lot of Polish players though, much more foreign players might be in Bratislava tournament in October
Fredrik [8d?\]: yeah many swedes are going to bratislava
sheeryjay [5k\]: heh :D
sheeryjay [5k\]: moh sure is lobbying :P
Claire [?\]: brno is one of the biggest tournaments in europe though
sheeryjay [5k\]: I heard 3rd biggest after european go congress
Claire [?\]: yeah paris is 2nd
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;B[re]C[trumpet [2k\]: if you want to live low, live low ;)
XY0908 [-\]: white's shape is getting heavy
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;W[rf]
;B[qg]
;W[qf]C[sheeryjay [5k\]: btw Claire, why did you not go to Brno this year? also school as in my case? :(
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;B[pc]
;W[qi]
;B[oq]C[Claire [?\]: too far away for only a week end
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;W[qr]C[Claire [?\]: last year i went for student championship as well
Claire [?\]: and no french people are going
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;B[fq]
;W[cn]
;B[no]C[sheeryjay [5k\]: yep I know about student champ. , I was really sad about your results :(
Claire [?\]: i dont really care about resultas ;)
Claire [?\]: i had a lot of fun back then
sheeryjay [5k\]: me too - 3 tournaments - 2/6,1/5,1/5 - if I cared about winning and not about people I would go crazy :(
Claire [?\]: hehe
Pugna [4d\]: ugly game :)
trumpet [2k\]: why that?
deg5: not ugly, but over
Pugna [4d\]: lol over? for whom?
domyouji [1d\]: white doesnt have many chances left
deg5: w lost :-)
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;W[cj]
;B[jn]C[Pugna [4d\]: w doing bad
Pugna [4d\]: allowing q5 is not justified for k4
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;W[mq]
;B[jq]
;W[kq]
;B[iq]
;W[mo]
;B[mn]
;W[ln]C[blackman [4k\]: the upper left was originally to make ko threats and a ladder breaker for w
blackman [4k\]: but either of them were succeed
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;B[mp]
;W[lp]
;B[lo]
;W[ko]
;B[kn]
;W[mo]
;B[lm]C[chrpa [1k\]: this is quick blitzh
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;W[np]
;B[lo]C[Snakeman [21k\]: still not alive
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;W[nr]
;B[mp]
;W[or]
;B[nq]C[Benni [2d\]: whats not alive?
Snakeman [21k\]: well, white is connected now
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;W[lr]
;B[rg]C[nogo123 [12k?\]: wats going on here??
ronnytune [10k\]: playing alone?
chrpa [1k\]: http://www.goweb.cz/node/41 
ronnytune [10k\]: who is demonstrating?
chrpa [1k\]: a tournament in Brno, Czech R. - a lot of strongest european players
nogo123 [12k?\]: is she talking too?? my spearkers are broken??
trumpet [2k\]: yes
Snakeman [21k\]: yes
ronnytune [10k\]: if that's the case, it should be a match, not a demonstration
trumpet [2k\]: sweet voice ;)
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;W[sg]C[nogo123 [12k?\]: sre u pssitive shes talking i just hooked up my headfones but i kant hear anyting??
trumpet [2k\]: didnt u pay the fee?
nogo123 [12k?\]: wat fee?
trumpet [2k\]: fee for having voice
nogo123 [12k?\]: therens no fee for having voice
trumpet [2k\]: no fee no voice ;)
nogo123 [12k?\]: thats not true
nogo123 [12k?\]: i heard voices from a lady in england sic months ago on Kgs demenstrating a 9d vrs 9d match
trumpet [2k\]: times have changed
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;B[gc]C[holywood [3d\]: b+res
nogo123 [12k?\]: are u serious thn were to do i pay the fee
trumpet [2k\]: i give u my bank account ;)
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;W[ke]
;B[jd]C[nogo123 [12k?\]: ha ha no seriously is she talking??
trumpet [2k\]: sweet voice ;)
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;W[kg]C[nogo123 [12k?\]: okm then shes not talking
nogo123 [12k?\]: ok*
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;B[dl]
;W[cl]C[nogo123 [12k?\]: D11
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;B[oe]
;W[pe]
;B[pg]C[Pugna [4d\]: w really regrets he didnt force with r17 before
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;W[og]
;B[of]
;W[rh]
;B[ob]
;W[qc]
;B[dm]C[trumpet [2k\]: what was wrong with q12?
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;W[cm]
;B[pc]
;W[sf]C[trumpet [2k\]: inst of s12
trumpet [2k\]: nvm
trumpet [2k\]: connecting better than dying in ko ;)
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;B[mg]
;W[oh]
;B[jh]
;W[jg]
;B[ih]C[konemies [?\]: black has too much cash
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;B[lf]
;W[je]
;B[li]C[trumpet [2k\]: sealing center and letting live
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;W[lh]
;B[ki]C[Vador [6k?\]: F10 ?
BrnoPGEC07 [?\]: white resigns, black won
trumpet [2k\]: oh
trumpet [2k\]: thx
trumpet [2k\]: for typing it in, brno
trumpet [2k\]: and letting us join
BrnoPGEC07 [?\]: tomorrow start at 9 oclock
Snakeman [21k\]: is that a moyo ?
BrnoPGEC07 [?\]: I hope :)
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