(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]
PW[Vladimir Danek, 5.dan]PB[Catalin Taranu, 5.pro]DT[2007-09-01]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]
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;W[jc]C[BrnoPGEC07 [?\]: cau Sheery
bara [9k\]: čau Brno 
sheeryjay [5k\]: nazdar
sheeryjay [5k\]: sorry za vcerejsek, otec mi squattoval na kompu :(
]
;B[cf]C[BrnoPGEC07 [?\]: nic se nestalo a o nic si neprisel, brzo potom to skoncilo
sheeryjay [5k\]: jj, vim, koukal jsem
sheeryjay [5k\]: a poprve jsem videl ze ty zapisy co maji udajne top10 hraci zapisovat se nekde objevily (na egobanu), jaktoze nikdy jindy nikde nejsou?
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;W[ff]C[chrpa [1k\]: a je nekde odkaz na diskuzi na netu?
sheeryjay [5k\]: diskuzi o cem?
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;B[je]C[chrpa [1k\]: napsal jsem to vedle :)  - o czech masters
sheeryjay [5k\]: jsi clenem cago?
chrpa [1k\]: nejsem
sheeryjay [5k\]: tak to si bohuzel nepoctes
sheeryjay [5k\]: zatim je tahle cast fora pristupna jen clenum :(, doufam ze to Tomas Grosser upravi tak jak slibil aby tam hosti mohli a jen nemohli zapisovat
chrpa [1k\]: aha, :)
chrpa [1k\]: jojo, aspon nebudu zvedavej
]
;W[qf]C[sheeryjay [5k\]: bohuzel :( - vyplyva to z toho ze tam byly hloupe zpravy od anonymu tak to blokli ale nevedeli jak udelat jen blok zapisu tak tam dali i cteni :(
chrpa [1k\]: jasne
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;W[fc]C[chrpa [1k\]: all white stones on one part of the board
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;B[ig]
;W[ih]
;B[hg]C[TimiS [3d\]: hello,
TimiS [3d\]: how come this is not at the top of EGR?
chrpa [1k\]: there is no admin to put the game at top
chrpa [1k\]: (as far as I know)
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;W[ei]C[TimiS [3d\]: aa ok, tnx:)
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;W[dk]
;B[bk]C[DESU [3d\]: Vladimir is not 5d, he is 6p I thought.
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;W[jf]
;B[hj]C[Spacemen3 [4d\]: Danek used to be ranked 6 dan, but he decided to demote himself since the level in europe is getting higher
]
;W[if]
;B[gf]C[Spacemen3 [4d\]: or maybe he is getting weaker, I don't know
XiaXia [1d?\]: or maybe his sandbagging
DESU [3d\]: I heard he beat Guo Juan in an even match.
BrnoPGEC07 [?\]: his rating is 2499
Spacemen3 [4d\]: Guo lost to several 5-6 dan amateurs
DESU [3d\]: oic
BrnoPGEC07 [?\]: this is 5. dan in Czechia ;)
]
;W[ii]
;B[hi]C[Spacemen3 [4d\]: yeah, Czechs are strong ^^
BrnoPGEC07 [?\]: :)
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;W[id]C[Spacemen3 [4d\]: anyway, Taranu is quite a lot stronger than Danek -- I guess he could give 2 stones
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;B[ie]
;W[hc]
;B[gc]
;W[gb]
;B[hd]C[DESU [3d\]: I heard he tends to make blunders due to long nights in bars and being a playboy.
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;W[ha]
;B[fg]
;W[ee]C[DESU [3d\]: but that overall he is a strong player.
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;B[le]C[maltar [3k\]: is this a live game?
DESU [3d\]: yes.
maltar [3k\]: thanx
SnowCrash [6k\]: will long nights in bars and being a playboy make me stronger?
DESU [3d\]: yes.
VincentV [4d\]: definately
SnowCrash [6k\]: excellent.  thanks.
LordKyo [18k\]: boring game
pagapont [4k\]: lol
VincentV [4d\]: acutally it's a board game, not a boring game :P
LordKyo [18k\]: XD
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;W[ij]C[LordKyo [18k\]: someone said that to me
GrandYan [-\]: That would be me.
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;B[ik]
;W[ki]C[MeTryBlitz [4d\]: what kind of tournament is this?
costins [2k\]: open
LordKyo [18k\]: oops
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;B[hk]C[LordKyo [18k\]: sorry my fren
BrnoPGEC07 [?\]: Pandanet Go European Cup in Brno
MeTryBlitz [4d\]: thanks : )
shyu20 [?\]: isnt that... igs?
chrpa [1k\]: one game is on igs
GrandYan [-\]: Dual relay
chrpa [1k\]: Csaba Mero vs Christian Pop
BrnoPGEC07 [?\]: results after 1st round - http://www.goweb.cz/node/41
shyu20 [?\]: oh
chrpa [1k\]: Mero in diffiltuies now
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;W[bh]C[VincentV [4d\]: oh, seok bin is there too?
chrpa [1k\]: yes, seok bin won with tasuki Vit Brunner 
chrpa [1k\]: in the second round (20 minutes ago)
Labaleine [-\]: haha vit won against ondrej
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;B[bi]
;W[be]C[LordKyo [18k\]: lee changho is the strongest player in the world today
Labaleine [-\]: -_-
gimme: trochu se tam nechytaji sloupce
gimme: ale nebudu hnidopich ze
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;B[cm]C[Labaleine [-\]: tak
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;W[kk]C[LordKyo [18k\]: nobody can beat changho
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;B[kl]C[LordKyo [18k\]: i think
Labaleine [-\]: well you are wrong
Lebertran [1d\]: and why did lee sedol beat chngho?
LordKyo [18k\]: if he's in a good form
jjermann [3k\]: hmm
Labaleine [-\]: he was beaten, even in good shape
LordKyo [18k\]: he's just sick
LordKyo [18k\]: just back from hospital
Lebertran [1d\]: nobody is perfect
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;W[lk]C[jjermann [3k\]: does  "good form" mean "unbeatable"? if  yes he can't be  beaten in good form :)
VincentV [4d\]: lordkyo: lee changho is NOT Touya Meijin!
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;B[ll]C[Labaleine [-\]: lol
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;W[jl]
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;B[ml]C[LordKyo [18k\]: changho is "sai"
Labaleine [-\]: ..
YodaNorimo [4d\]: no
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;W[hm]C[YodaNorimo [4d\]: shusaku
YodaNorimo [4d\]: go seigen
YodaNorimo [4d\]: dosaku
YodaNorimo [4d\]: kitani minoru
BrnoPGEC07 [?\]: ... and tasuki :)))
YodaNorimo [4d\]: they can be sai
LordKyo [18k\]: sedol beat him when changho's fathe enter hospital.. he just stress
YodaNorimo [4d\]: yes of course
YodaNorimo [4d\]: :D
LordKyo [18k\]: *father
Labaleine [-\]: tasuki is the strongest
LordKyo [18k\]: no
DanDreamer [2k\]: what is sai?
YodaNorimo [4d\]: hahaha
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;B[li]C[YodaNorimo [4d\]: sai
VincentV [4d\]: yun junsang beat him too <_<
LordKyo [18k\]: changho is "sai"
Labaleine [-\]: sai is the strongest player on internet
LordKyo [18k\]: hahahahaha
VincentV [4d\]: sai is tartrate. everyone knows that
Labaleine [-\]: i saw him play it was unbelievable
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;W[lh]C[YodaNorimo [4d\]: hehehe
YodaNorimo [4d\]: yes
Labaleine [-\]: he even won against takao meijin
YodaNorimo [4d\]: he lost once...
YodaNorimo [4d\]: sai no
Metho [1d\]: because of time:)
LordKyo [18k\]: no one can beat sai
YodaNorimo [4d\]: yup
YodaNorimo [4d\]: ^^
YodaNorimo [4d\]: sai is faster
VincentV [4d\]: to sendol, yeah That game was cool :)
LordKyo [18k\]: hikaru always the best
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;B[mi]C[LordKyo [18k\]: i'm student of hikaru
hovfolk: no real attack going here
hovfolk: after black is safe, the 3 bottom white stones become quite meaningless
DanDreamer [2k\]: whaty is sai nickname on kgs?
LordKyo [18k\]: LordKyo
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;W[kj]C[maze [-\]: haha
Metho [1d\]: oh then sai must be sandbagger:)
LordKyo [18k\]: 10pro dan player
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;B[mh]C[gimme: omg
Labaleine [-\]: w is dead ?
Labaleine [-\]: lol
LordKyo [18k\]: cho chudan is my master
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;W[lg]C[jjermann [3k\]: w has more  problems than black it seems
hovfolk: L10 at N12 and allowing black L10 is like resigning too
LordKyo [18k\]: but lose to me yesterday
Labaleine [-\]: who the hell is cho chudan
YodaNorimo [4d\]: xd
bara [9k\]: cho chudák :))
YodaNorimo [4d\]: no is not
LordKyo [18k\]: do u know him yodanorimo?
YodaNorimo [4d\]: i think is sdtill alive
YodaNorimo [4d\]: :D
YodaNorimo [4d\]: nop
YodaNorimo [4d\]: :S
VincentV [4d\]: it'll die like chickin!!!
Labaleine [-\]: i didn't know Yoda Norimo existed
LordKyo [18k\]: he is sai grandfather
LordKyo [18k\]: u have to know it
YodaNorimo [4d\]: yoda norimoto
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;W[nl]C[Labaleine [-\]: white is in trouble
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;B[nm]C[YodaNorimo [4d\]: black
YodaNorimo [4d\]: is in a trouble
hovfolk: no
YodaNorimo [4d\]: h9 h10 g14 m15 n12 
YodaNorimo [4d\]: no eyes
gimme: in the trouble
YodaNorimo [4d\]: hehe
Labaleine [-\]: no eyes ?
Labaleine [-\]: w is forced to live
Labaleine [-\]: so black can connect 
YodaNorimo [4d\]: m14 like easily
Labaleine [-\]: still not finished
YodaNorimo [4d\]: live*
maze [-\]: l14 
Labaleine [-\]: need L14, and K10
Labaleine [-\]: living gote
LordKyo [18k\]: black will win
YodaNorimo [4d\]: ask cho chudan
Labaleine [-\]: and black will connect with N16 or something
LordKyo [18k\]: catalin taranu is my former teacher
Labaleine [-\]: no he's not
YodaNorimo [4d\]: xd
LordKyo [18k\]: but he's my student right now
YodaNorimo [4d\]: :S
YodaNorimo [4d\]: insane
YodaNorimo [4d\]: xd
LordKyo [18k\]: i'm much stroner than danek n catalin
YodaNorimo [4d\]: what about the time?
MeTryBlitz [4d\]: lol
LordKyo [18k\]: *stronger
VincentV [4d\]: yeah... in shogi maybe -_-
MeTryBlitz [4d\]: ^^
Labaleine [-\]: lol
LordKyo [18k\]: nope
Labaleine [-\]: or in some random mmorpg
YodaNorimo [4d\]: BRNOPGEC07, what abput the time?
LordKyo [18k\]: in winning eleven
YodaNorimo [4d\]: how are they?
BrnoPGEC07 [?\]: Catalin - 6 minutes have left
Labaleine [-\]: lol
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;W[mn]C[Labaleine [-\]: ok
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;B[ln]
;W[lo]C[gimme: lets see the pro
Labaleine [-\]: apparently white chose suicide was the best strategy
BrnoPGEC07 [?\]: i dont see Daneks time
YodaNorimo [4d\]: ok thx
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;B[mo]
;W[nn]C[evave [16k\]: lol
BrnoPGEC07 [?\]: ings clocks :(
YodaNorimo [4d\]: ^^
YodaNorimo [4d\]: so ings rules
YodaNorimo [4d\]: xD
hovfolk: move to the other side of the table? :)
YodaNorimo [4d\]: nahhh
YodaNorimo [4d\]: ask catalin
YodaNorimo [4d\]: :P
sdfert: how many more rounds after this?
gimme: 4
BrnoPGEC07 [?\]: no, japanese rules, only ings clock
YodaNorimo [4d\]: ok thx
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;B[kn]C[MeTryBlitz [4d\]: wow, catalin making shape :D
MeTryBlitz [4d\]: love to see pros playing empty triangles :D
BrnoPGEC07 [?\]: Danek has 29 minutes yet
MeTryBlitz [4d\]: thanks
hovfolk: it fascinates me more in positions where there is an actual choice
gimme: L6 shapish for a pro :P
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;W[kf]C[jjermann [3k\]: choice?
jjermann [3k\]: L6 needs to be played anyway
MeTryBlitz [4d\]: ye
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;B[ld]C[maze [-\]: k10 
gimme: G O T E everywhere
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;W[mf]
;B[lf]
;W[kh]C[maze [-\]: sente
jjermann [3k\]: hehe
jjermann [3k\]: nice
jjermann [3k\]: that looks like sente for black should probably care about N13 :)
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;B[om]C[hovfolk: black P7 anyway?
hovfolk: ah, too late :)
hovfolk: two ways out now
Uberdude [3d\]: what is this?
gimme: b+res
Uberdude [3d\]: some czech tournament?
Jadeite [?\]: yes
maze [-\]: no
maze [-\]: catalin is romanian
FrozenV7 [5k\]: but brno is not
LordKyo [18k\]: no.. catalin is malaysian
Jadeite [?\]: Seok-bin is Korean, but still playing in this tornament
BrnoPGEC07 [?\]: European tournament in Czech Republic ;)
maze [-\]: ok
jjermann [3k\]: hmm when seok-bin play?
MeTryBlitz [4d\]: lordkyo oO
jjermann [3k\]: +will
MeTryBlitz [4d\]: he finished 2nd round
bara [9k\]: end Catalin is afrikan 
LordKyo [18k\]: born in indonesia
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;W[nf]C[maze [-\]: romanian
costins [2k\]: k enough w/ chitchat
gimme: w+
LordKyo [18k\]: bara.. u wrong.. the right thing is catalin's mother born in nigeria
gimme: playin for everything, but cant kill the pro
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;B[gm]C[bara [9k\]: hahaha :)))TT
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;W[gn]
;B[gl]C[Fredda [-\]: waaah
maze [-\]: f6 
LordKyo [18k\]: white ahead
YodaNorimo [4d\]: i said b had a problem
YodaNorimo [4d\]: someone said me that live was gote
YodaNorimo [4d\]: xD
LordKyo [18k\]: big trouble
Fredda [-\]: b will win
jjermann [3k\]: I don't think it's big trouble
LordKyo [18k\]: for b
YodaNorimo [4d\]: yeak i know
YodaNorimo [4d\]: he will win
YodaNorimo [4d\]: :D
LordKyo [18k\]: no eyes
YodaNorimo [4d\]: he'll made
jjermann [3k\]: still not such a big trouble
jjermann [3k\]: w looks quite  broken on the outside
YodaNorimo [4d\]: not very big because is 5d
LordKyo [18k\]: but we should know
YodaNorimo [4d\]: cho seok.bin....
Uberdude [3d\]: b will get entire lower side...
LordKyo [18k\]: taranu is very great plaer
LordKyo [18k\]: /8player
LordKyo [18k\]: *player
maze [-\]: f6 
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;W[pl]C[LordKyo [18k\]: h6
YodaNorimo [4d\]: m4 
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;B[pm]C[LordKyo [18k\]: p5
LordKyo [18k\]: after m4
jjermann [3k\]: r7 now?
maze [-\]: no
hovfolk: ladder then :)
LordKyo [18k\]: very poor
maze [-\]: o5 
jjermann [3k\]: but doesnt o5 mean sacrificing  P8?
LordKyo [18k\]: white has  a problem at bottom
hovfolk: black can capture one of the two groups of 3 stones
jjermann [3k\]: hmm can white cut offN12?
jjermann [3k\]: or  no way?
tildebis [2k?\]: can't yet
jjermann [3k\]: I mean imagine P8 was alive
jjermann [3k\]: how  to cut off?
tildebis [2k?\]: if P8 alive then P11 I guess
jjermann [3k\]: does that work?
sai293 [5k\]: e7?
tildebis [2k?\]: not here because P8 not alive ;)
got [3k\]: p11 q9 
jjermann [3k\]: so  if white can't cut off black
sai293 [5k\]: what with e7?
jjermann [3k\]: it's  not worth much to save P8
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;W[no]C[luhtor [1k\]: Q9 dont work
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;B[ko]C[jjermann [3k\]: lol
jjermann [3k\]: now R7
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;W[mp]C[tildebis [2k?\]: yeap Q9 does not work
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;B[kp]C[costins [2k\]: w r3 
got [3k\]: it does, if w hasn't a stone at r8 
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;W[io]C[jjermann [3k\]: hehe fighting spirit ^^
luhtor [1k\]: you can still push black group on the edge if P8 lives
BrnoPGEC07 [?\]: black is in byoyomi - 30 seconds per move
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;B[po]C[maze [-\]: and w
bara [9k\]: end Danek ? time 
YodaNorimo [4d\]: ok
YodaNorimo [4d\]: thx
YodaNorimo [4d\]: is W nervous?
BrnoPGEC07 [?\]: no
maze [-\]: how much time w has?
bara [9k\]: kolik má času Daněk ?
BrnoPGEC07 [?\]: i dont see Danek s time
maze [-\]: ok
jjermann [3k\]: L4 is dead?
maze [-\]: can you ask?
BrnoPGEC07 [?\]: 16 minutes left
maze [-\]: thx
bara [9k\]: dík 
CLB [7k\]: r7
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;W[dm]
;B[fn]
;W[cn]
;B[bm]C[jjermann [3k\]: E10 is troublesome
jjermann [3k\]: for  w
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;W[go]
;B[eo]C[XiaXia [1d?\]: doesnt look very good for w
jjermann [3k\]: does white  need a move on the bottom?
gimme: yeah yeah, the killing move
jjermann [3k\]: I wonder why W didn't  R7 instead of  J5
jjermann [3k\]: almost  sente
gimme: almost against pro?
Analysis [6k\]: what is this a demo of?
gimme: Panda Brno
gimme: e5 is cool
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;W[fk]
;B[dn]C[gimme: b+res
XiaXia [1d?\]: heh w still cant cut
gimme: multitasking
Namaskar [1d\]: f7
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;W[fm]
;B[ej]C[Namaskar [1d\]: ic
Labaleine [-\]: man, that's fast reading
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;W[do]C[Soronume [-\]: neat
gimme: hmmm
Analysis [6k\]: is 5d fair against 5p?
jjermann [3k\]: now black just killsN4
jjermann [3k\]: ?
ZhaoShi [3d\]: e7
trumpet [2k\]: yes, analysis
trumpet [2k\]: ;)
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;B[fl]C[Analysis [6k\]: i've had 8 beers, so i think i'm doing pretty well
trumpet [2k\]: you do
gimme: dutch guy? :)) kuin lost, man
YodaNorimo [4d\]: ufff
jjermann [3k\]: white  could cut?
ZhaoShi [3d\]: ko ?
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;W[em]
;B[ek]C[ZhaoShi [3d\]: not ko :)
jjermann [3k\]: hmm
jjermann [3k\]: white needs 2 eyes
jjermann [3k\]: 1 not enough
ZhaoShi [3d\]: d8
jjermann [3k\]: is there a 2nd eye  somewhere?
trumpet [2k\]: j5 big eye for w ;)
jjermann [3k\]: hehe
jjermann [3k\]: E8 then H8 doesnt kill black?
XiaXia [1d?\]: maybe E7 instead of D6 would have been better for b
Spacemen3 [4d\]: I think B has this under control..
CLB [7k\]: E8 then E4
jjermann [3k\]: ohh no
]
;W[el]C[Namaskar [1d\]: f5?
]
;B[fj]C[RSG [10k\]: e8 f10 d8 c8 e6 d6 
ZhaoShi [3d\]: !!
]
;W[en]
;B[cl]C[tigercat [?\]: b is pro and w is not?
]
;W[fo]
;B[dl]C[trumpet [2k\]: yes tiger
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;W[qm]
;B[qn]
;W[qk]C[ZhaoShi [3d\]: now , the game is difficult for white
]
;B[pj]
;W[rn]
;B[ro]C[Labaleine [-\]: it was already difficult 50 moves ago
Labaleine [-\]: he barely lived in the center
Spacemen3 [4d\]: I don't know why W is playing from this side ... M3 seems more urgent
]
;W[rl]C[jjermann [3k\]: is L4 dead or can it still live?
]
;B[rj]
;W[rp]C[Spacemen3 [4d\]: L4 dead??? you must be joking...
FrozenV7 [5k\]: it lives by capturing one of the two groups
]
;B[so]C[Spacemen3 [4d\]: it's the W group that is dying
tigercat [?\]: why is the pro taking b?
trumpet [2k\]: its a tourney
XiaXia [1d?\]: its tournament
Dita [1d\]: if L$ was dead B would resign
Dita [1d\]: L4
tigercat [?\]: oh
]
;W[pq]
;B[qq]C[tigercat [?\]: thanks for putting up with my noob questions
trumpet [2k\]: welcome
]
;W[op]C[Dita [1d\]: better a noob then a boon ;)
jjermann [3k\]: hehe
killmaniac [1k?\]: ...
Analysis [6k\]: kidneys
]
;B[pr]C[jjermann [3k\]: black has liberty issue
]
;W[oq]C[Solid30k [4k\]: 5d vs 5p ?
tigercat [?\]: yes
tigercat [?\]: it's a tourney
tigercat [?\]: :-)
]
;B[qp]C[evave [16k\]: w lives??
Unvite: yes
tigercat [?\]: isnt b losing?
BrnoPGEC07 [?\]: white in byoyomi 
Analysis [6k\]: the game is close, but the game is 'harder' for white
jjermann [3k\]: but L4 doesn't look alive
evave [16k\]: colse call
]
;W[kq]C[Unvite: L4 is connected
tigercat [?\]: the 5d is pretty good for an ama
]
;B[jq]C[hovfolk: but not with many liberties
Dita [1d\]: a 5d on igs is here 8d
]
;W[kr]C[Spacemen3 [4d\]: no
Dita [1d\]: oh :)
]
;B[jp]C[costins [2k\]: no at all
Gay [-\]: rofl?
tigercat [?\]: oh
tigercat [?\]: but still pretty good
Dita [1d\]: did the igs server got weaker?
Gay [-\]: 5d igs is like 5d here
tigercat [?\]: u're gay
]
;W[qr]C[Spacemen3 [4d\]: both IGS and KGS adjusted their rating systems
Gay [-\]: ur tigercat
XiaXia [1d?\]: w would be maybe 7d here kgs
]
;B[rr]C[XiaXia [1d?\]: right?
Unvite: R2 = time move?
Spacemen3 [4d\]: nowdays there is little difference between dan ranks on IGS and KGS
]
;W[jr]C[RSG [10k\]: i lost to a 17k there..
Spacemen3 [4d\]: maybe 6f?
]
;B[hq]C[Spacemen3 [4d\]: *6d?
]
;W[gq]C[Spacemen3 [4d\]: I played him a few friendly games around 4 years ago
XiaXia [1d?\]: ok
]
;B[ir]C[nodan [4d?\]: b dead
Spacemen3 [4d\]: in fast games he could give me 3 handicaps, in slower games 2
Spacemen3 [4d\]: so I guess 6-7d would be right
]
;W[gr]C[reprisal [3d\]: a lot can change in 4 years
]
;B[hp]C[Spacemen3 [4d\]: he's not getting stronger
dangodan [3d\]: kyu stronger on igs, dan almost same? 
reprisal [3d\]: are you?
jjermann [3k\]: Idon't understand
reprisal [3d\]: i could give myself 20 stones 4 years ago :)
]
;W[lp]C[jjermann [3k\]: what is  black's plan?
Spacemen3 [4d\]: maybe a bit, but not so much the last 4 years
]
;B[iq]C[DanDreamer [2k\]: q9
FrozenV7 [5k\]: max liberties then kill q8
tigercat [?\]: at the opportune moment, to violently turn the board over and run!
dangodan [3d\]: Danek got demoted from 6d to 5d
]
;W[bo]
;B[bp]C[jjermann [3k\]: how does L4 live?
tigercat [?\]: in our hearts
Analysis [6k\]: killing o8
Spacemen3 [4d\]: I think he demoted himself
FrozenV7 [5k\]: with q9 or s9
Spacemen3 [4d\]: since his EGF rating dropped
jjermann [3k\]: ohh
]
;W[cr]C[jjermann [3k\]: *patsch*
jjermann [3k\]: I blatently ignored N8
]
;B[dr]C[Analysis [6k\]: black has... 8 libs?
dangodan [3d\]: well that is how you get demoted
Analysis [6k\]: how many libs does white have?
]
;W[dq]
;B[dp]C[reprisal [3d\]: not enough
Gay [-\]: like 4
Spacemen3 [4d\]: no, nobody changes your dan rank, it's something you have earned
CLB [7k\]: w 7 libs, b 8 libs
]
;W[ep]C[Spacemen3 [4d\]: so even if you later get weaker, you don't have to change your rank
]
;B[cq]C[dangodan [3d\]: depends on country
]
;W[er]C[Spacemen3 [4d\]: you can see on the rating list there are many dan players who are 2-300 points below what they should be
]
;B[eq]C[dangodan [3d\]: i got demoted from 5d to 3d
tigercat [?\]: i was demoted from 2d to ?
Gay [-\]: nice
]
;W[ds]C[Spacemen3 [4d\]: In what country?
dangodan [3d\]: denmark
]
;B[bn]
;W[co]
;B[dq]
;W[br]
;B[ao]C[Analysis [6k\]: f3?
reprisal [3d\]: mm and senteish
]
;W[rc]C[Analysis [6k\]: what's wrong with white f4?
]
;B[pd]C[Analysis [6k\]: not big enough?
]
;W[od]C[reprisal [3d\]: it is big...but when are you going to play it
erikk [-\]: gote
]
;B[gp]C[RSG [10k\]: probably
]
;W[fq]C[costins [2k\]: over
]
;B[fp]C[Unvite: ko?
Spacemen3 [4d\]: W has to connect
jjermann [3k\]: can'twhite kill black in ko now?
]
;W[bq]
;B[eo]
;W[pn]C[reprisal [3d\]: so many ways to end it
YodaNorimo [4d\]: d6 
XiaXia [1d?\]: ignore maybe? :))
]
;B[dn]C[gimme: both left bottom white dies
evave [16k\]: ya
tigercat [?\]: wow
]
;W[qo]C[Syndrome [?\]: o_o
gimme: obvious
Labaleine [-\]: er ...
evave [16k\]: noooo
Labaleine [-\]: that's not good for w is it
evave [16k\]: b+resign???
jjermann [3k\]: not good  ^^
]
;B[is]C[Analysis [6k\]: i don't htink it's over
Analysis [6k\]: closer then before :)
jjermann [3k\]: is terrible
evave [16k\]: no
]
;W[gs]
;B[qn]C[DanDreamer [2k\]: alive?
]
;W[qj]
;B[qi]C[maze [-\]: g1 is alive
]
;W[qo]
;B[aq]
;W[ar]C[jjermann [3k\]: is E5 a threat?
]
;B[qn]
;W[oi]C[dangodan [3d\]: you cant stack
]
;B[on]C[reprisal [3d\]: no mercy
]
;W[oj]
;B[ok]C[sud [1d\]: end of yhe game
janibi [1d\]: hihi
]
;W[pk]C[Syndrome [?\]: '^^
]
;B[oh]C[costins [2k\]: terrible threat by blac
costins [2k\]: black*
janibi [1d\]: I want to see catalin vs cho
YodaNorimo [4d\]: ^^
]
;W[oo]C[tigercat [?\]: wow!!!
]
;B[pn]C[YodaNorimo [4d\]: i've see a lot of game of them
Spacemen3 [4d\]: is Seok Bin participating?
VincentV [4d\]: i think soek bin  would win
janibi [1d\]: yes
YodaNorimo [4d\]: they were in spain last summer teaching us
VincentV [4d\]: seok bin ^^
YodaNorimo [4d\]: they played a lot
]
;W[ni]
;B[mj]C[YodaNorimo [4d\]: seok bin
swifty [2d\]: resign
]
;W[pi]
;B[ph]C[Spacemen3 [4d\]: I think Seok Bin would win more often, but far from every time
ZhaoShi [3d\]: t6 sente
YodaNorimo [4d\]: is a bit stronger i think
YodaNorimo [4d\]: no every time
]
;W[sn]C[YodaNorimo [4d\]: far far
YodaNorimo [4d\]: :D
]
;B[sm]
;W[rm]C[atyk3 [2d\]: s9
Unvite: alive?
evave [16k\]: sad for w
janibi [1d\]: wow
]
;B[rk]
;W[sp]C[Syndrome [?\]: ?
]
;B[rq]C[tigercat [?\]: no eye
]
;W[qo]
;B[ro]C[Spacemen3 [4d\]: B kills all
trumpet [2k\]: wow
Syndrome [?\]: :D
killmaniac [1k?\]: gg
XiaXia [1d?\]: res time
RocketBoy [16k?\]: haha
reprisal [3d\]: B not afraid of reading, hehe
tigercat [?\]: 5p shows his quality
Analysis [6k\]: B didn't actually 'kill all'
JohanHegg [3d\]: where do they play?
atyk3 [2d\]: not that compilcated either
reprisal [3d\]: just half
BrnoPGEC07 [?\]: white resigns, catalin won
trumpet [2k\]: thx Brno for letting us join
XiaXia [1d?\]: is there more rounds today?
BrnoPGEC07 [?\]: very interesting game ;)
sheeryjay [5k\]: co se stalo s druhou hrou_
sheeryjay [5k\]: yep, 2 more rounds
Unvite: impressive
sheeryjay [5k\]: schedule in http://www.goweb.cz/files/TT_2007_EN_v01.pdf
XiaXia [1d?\]: thanks
wanchess [10k?\]: nice calcualtions
wanchess [10k?\]: calculations
BrnoPGEC07 [?\]: yes, next round is at 14:00
Goreon [1k\]: Is this chech masters?
jjermann [3k\]: maybe white should  have played G4 or sthg like that
jjermann [3k\]: to ensure a connection
sheeryjay [5k\]: no, Czech Masters was last weekend
jjermann [3k\]: (in sente still)
BrnoPGEC07 [?\]: see you soon
sheeryjay [5k\]: Ondrej Silt won
evave [16k\]: ne review
Frankyboy: other games result?????????
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